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Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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People get addicted to their phones to the point that it disrupts their sleep and harms their health. A bed mode is not going to change that. People need to recognise the damage their habits are doing and work to change them.

Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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While I do think my Mac is overly blue, I also think that f.lux is ridiculously yellow. I've turned down the yellowness considerably compared to the defaults, and still find myself turning it off in the evening, because suddenly everything becomes washy yellow.

It seems to be worse with the modern f.lux mode than classic f.lux.

Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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post #12

People get addicted to their phones to the point that it disrupts their sleep and harms their health. A bed mode is not going to change that. People need to recognise the damage their habits are doing and work to change them.

Actually a bed mode will make a substantial difference.

Looking at phones or laptops or whatever screens at nighttime suppresses melatonin, which leads to people not feeling sleepy when they should, which makes them much more likely to continue looking at their screen than if they became as tired as normal.

It’s certainly possible to stay up doing something without blue light (e.g. reading by candlelight or a dim incandescent flashlight), but blue light makes a huge difference, and actively fights people’s ability to exercise self control.

Working to change habits is all well and good, but instead of telling someone who habitually binges on candy and cookies to stop eating any snacks at all, period, it would be a more successful intervention to take the candy and cookies away and fill their refrigerator with carrot sticks.

Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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While I do think my Mac is overly blue, I also think that f.lux is ridiculously yellow. I've turned down the yellowness considerably compared to the defaults, and still find myself turning it off in the evening, because suddenly everything becomes washy yellow.

If you allow your eyes to adapt, the yellowness really isn’t a big deal, unless you’re doing something color sensitive like making art. Just stop worrying about precisely what colors are on screen.

Even if you’re casually looking at photographs, watching a television show, or playing a game, your eyes can compensate pretty well for a significant reduction in the amount of blue light, and you can have a perfectly acceptable experience.

Note, you’ll also want to dim or turn off other lights at night. In particular white LEDs of CCT ≥4000K are terrible at night, both wrecking night vision and disrupting sleep rhythm.

If you’re in an otherwise dark room, you can turn your display brightness as low as it will go and turn f.lux to its orangest possible setting and still browse the web, answer emails, write code, etc. perfectly fine. At such an extreme setting you might not be able to effectively enjoy photographs or movies anymore, but maybe right before bed isn’t the best time to look at photographs anyway.

Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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post #16

It's called the power off button? Seriously, what is wrong with people, turn the thing off. Future "news": Food needs to stop being so tasty so people don't eat too much.

Your joke is sort of true. Snack foods generally have an excessively high ratio of palatability/satiation.

(I'd like to see it change because individuals make the choice, not by fiat, so let's not have an argument about it)

Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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post #12

People get addicted to their phones to the point that it disrupts their sleep and harms their health. A bed mode is not going to change that. People need to recognise the damage their habits are doing and work to change them.

Actually a bed mode will make a substantial difference. Looking at phones or laptops or whatever screens at nighttime suppresses melatonin, which leads to people not feeling sleepy when they should, which makes them much more likely to continue looking at their screen than if they became as tired as normal. It’s certainly possible to stay up doing something without blue light (e.g. reading by candlelight or a dim inc…

In my experience, using a screen colour app just encourages me to use my phone more not less. Even with these apps a phone will still emit a large amount of blue light and having the light source so close to my face I still notice it disrupts my sleep.

If you believe using your phone late at night is harmful to you at all then why continue to maintain a that behaviour? Wouldn't it be much more beneficial to your health to avoid screens altogether at night? I'm not saying that it is easy but I believe it's a good healthy goal to aim for just like getting exercise and eating well.

To your point about unhealthy eating habits I totally agree. I just don't see phone addiction normally talked about as often as diet and exercise which is why I wanted to mention it.

Re: Phones need 'bed mode' to protect sleep

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Actually a bed mode will make a substantial difference. Looking at phones or laptops or whatever screens at nighttime suppresses melatonin, which leads to people not feeling sleepy when they should, which makes them much more likely to continue looking at their screen than if they became as tired as normal. It’s certainly possible to stay up doing something without blue light (e.g. reading by candlelight or a dim inc…

In my experience, using a screen colour app just encourages me to use my phone more not less. Even with these apps a phone will still emit a large amount of blue light and having the light source so close to my face I still notice it disrupts my sleep. If you believe using your phone late at night is harmful to you at all then why continue to maintain a that behaviour? Wouldn't it be much more beneficial to your heal…

> If you believe using your phone late at night is harmful to you at all

If you’re asking about me personally, I don’t use a smartphone at night. I thought we were talking about what actions smartphone vendors could take to help their customers’ health.

> Even with these apps a phone will still emit a large amount of blue light and having the light source so close to my face I still notice it disrupts my sleep.

If you use f.lux on a Mac, you can make it incredibly orange almost completely blocking out the "blue" channel on the display. It also includes a "darkroom" mode which inverts the display colors and turns black text on white into red text on black.

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