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What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

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Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

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Post by miguelrochefort »

"Any contained item that can fit inside a refrigerator, whose quality would degrade significantly more when kept at room temperature rather than at 1-4°C, by the estimated time of use/consumption."

The term "contained" above is restrictive, and probably needs further precision. Only things that thrive inside an opaque and sealed container would fit the definition above. Otherwise, things that can affect the quality of other items (i.e., gas emanation), things that need light, things that need oxygen, things that need a specific range of moisture, things that can grow and/or move, would all need their containers to provide these conditions and/or have a dedicated location inside the refrigerator.

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#12

Post by keithpeter »

mentat wrote: post #4
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #2

This essay assumes the wrong answer. The intelligence has to be built into the item, not the appliance, just as we do now. Packages have messages such as "Refrigerate after opening" on them. Anything that needs to be refrigerated will need to communicate that need, along with details such as temp, to the automated system.

So one only puts labelled packaged things in the refrigerator? I was recently thinking about the phenomenon of packaging but this takes it to the next level. I'm not sure if it feels ultra-modern or dystopian.

I was going down the...

    scan label
       if (grep "keep refridgerated after opening") AND (status OPEN) then
          store in fridge else
       ask
...but then I realised this is the AI contextual knowledge problem.

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#13

Post by platz »

I think this is hinting at the problem that occurs in OOP, when the business rules of the system are expressed with virtual methods in classes as part of an inheritance chain, in the business domain

Example: eric lippert tries to model an RPG in OOP and tries to model the character "uses" command: http://ericlippert.com/2015/05/11/wizards-and-warriors-part-...

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#14

Post by zombees »

"Anything that fits in the refrigerator and will remain contained within it." Covers all uses for refrigerators and prevents anyone from putting bulk liquids, penguins, coyotes, live hand grenades, radioactive material, nuclear weapons or Indiana Jones inside.

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#15

Post by nippoo »

collyw wrote: post #6
CapitalistCartr wrote: post #2

This essay assumes the wrong answer. The intelligence has to be built into the item, not the appliance, just as we do now. Packages have messages such as "Refrigerate after opening" on them. Anything that needs to be refrigerated will need to communicate that need, along with details such as temp, to the automated system.

Best before dates are a waste of time. I noticed this travelling in less devloped countries where they don't usually have them. And plenty of times I have had chicken that smells off despite being before the date on the packet. I had one cheese that got way better after being a month past the date.

Side-note: a lot of fresh chicken will smell bad for about 5 minutes when you remove it from a vacuum-sealed package, but the smell quickly dissipates and the chicken is good to eat. In the UK there's a label on some brands of fresh chicken to that effect. I must have thrown away a fair bit of good chicken before first realising this...

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#17

Post by GavinMcG »

zombees wrote: post #14

"Anything that fits in the refrigerator and will remain contained within it." Covers all uses for refrigerators and prevents anyone from putting bulk liquids, penguins, coyotes, live hand grenades, radioactive material, nuclear weapons or Indiana Jones inside.

But not pet hamsters!

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#18

Post by dalke »

miguelrochefort wrote: post #11

"Any contained item that can fit inside a refrigerator, whose quality would degrade significantly more when kept at room temperature rather than at 1-4°C, by the estimated time of use/consumption." The term "contained" above is restrictive, and probably needs further precision. Only things that thrive inside an opaque and sealed container would fit the definition above. Otherwise, things that can affect the quality o…

What about activated charcoal or baking soda being used as a deodorizer? Or chilling a bottle of white wine, or pitcher of water, before drinking?

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#19

Post by pascal_cuoq »

CapitalistCartr wrote: post #2

This essay assumes the wrong answer. The intelligence has to be built into the item, not the appliance, just as we do now. Packages have messages such as "Refrigerate after opening" on them. Anything that needs to be refrigerated will need to communicate that need, along with details such as temp, to the automated system.

The article is on the difficulty of writing specifications. The fridge is a metaphor. Your insight amounts to “we can always assume that the specification has already been written and correctly implemented on the other side of the interface”.

This remark has a place in the discussion, but not the one you probably think.

Re: What Can You Put in a Refrigerator?

#20

Post by kuschku »

keithpeter wrote: post #12
mentat wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So one only puts labelled packaged things in the refrigerator? I was recently thinking about the phenomenon of packaging but this takes it to the next level. I'm not sure if it feels ultra-modern or dystopian.

I was going down the... scan label if (grep "keep refridgerated after opening") AND (status OPEN) then store in fridge else ask ...but then I realised this is the AI contextual knowledge problem.

And what do you do with Avocados?
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