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Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

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Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#11

Post by graeham »

"I'm AI but humans help train me"

The implication to me is that the chat is with a human, who is using an AI tool with the intention of training that tool. What better way to train a new service than to launch it, then answer all the weird, unexpected questions with humans? Gradually more of the questions get answered, the AI gets better trained, and the human-AI becomes increasing more AI.

Further, as the AI gets better, the human working with it has to do less, so they can roll out the service to more users without requiring more staff. Perhaps eventually, no human is needed.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#12

Post by icebraining »

BukhariH wrote: post #8
argonaut wrote: post #2

Why is this even a question? According to Facebook itself, it's mostly human-driven. http://recode.net/2015/11/03/facebooks-virtual-assistant-m-i...

> "The opinion is split as to whether or not it’s a real AI, and there seems to be no way of proving its nature on way or the other." Clearly, the author didn't even do the most basic fact checking. Since, Facebook clearly told everyone that M was going to be AI that was assisted by humans. It's literally in the announcement post: https://www.facebook.com/Davemarcus/posts/10156070660595195 > "It's powered by artifici…

But that's exactly the point: is it AI trained by people, or people aided by AI tools? It's not the same.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#13

Post by bad_user »

BukhariH wrote: post #8
argonaut wrote: post #2

Why is this even a question? According to Facebook itself, it's mostly human-driven. http://recode.net/2015/11/03/facebooks-virtual-assistant-m-i...

> "The opinion is split as to whether or not it’s a real AI, and there seems to be no way of proving its nature on way or the other." Clearly, the author didn't even do the most basic fact checking. Since, Facebook clearly told everyone that M was going to be AI that was assisted by humans. It's literally in the announcement post: https://www.facebook.com/Davemarcus/posts/10156070660595195 > "It's powered by artifici…

You know how to read, great for you. But that doesn't say much, as all AI that was ever attempted was trained and supervised by people.

Plus this was blackbox testing and I found it to be an interested read nonetheless.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#15

Post by abritishguy »

graeham wrote: post #11

"I'm AI but humans help train me" The implication to me is that the chat is with a human, who is using an AI tool with the intention of training that tool. What better way to train a new service than to launch it, then answer all the weird, unexpected questions with humans? Gradually more of the questions get answered, the AI gets better trained, and the human-AI becomes increasing more AI. Further, as the AI gets be…

The AI can assist the human as well. It may not be confident that its response is accurate and the human just clicks send.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#16

Post by provemewrong »

pjc50 wrote: post #10

This is a new angle on the app-outsourcing-to-low-paid-contractors "technology": it's so dehumanising that you have to pretend to be a computer while you work! It's also strikingly similar to the original "mechanical turk".

>It's also strikingly similar to the original "mechanical turk".

That's what the M stands for.

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#17

Post by AJ007 »

lhnz wrote: post #7

I wonder how many years it will be before a real AI can compete with Facebook's AI? I guess by the time that's possible Facebook's pretend AI will already have cornered the market. The public will only be able to see that you were the late entrant and that while your AI is faster it's occasionally incorrect in peculiar ways... This seems like a fairly solid plan by Facebook to crown themselves the winners of a race t…

Pretending you have a working technology when you don't has been a recent theme in the startup world.

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#18

Post by avinassh »

dvh wrote: post #14
Lewton wrote: post #3

Tihs is uslulay how I tset wehther i'm tlaknig to an ai or not

I tested your question on my chatbot: Q: Tihs is uslulay how I tset wehther i'm tlaknig to an ai or not A: I am AI

link to your chat bot? and link to code, if its open source?

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#19

Post by icebraining »

AJ007 wrote: post #17
lhnz wrote: post #7

I wonder how many years it will be before a real AI can compete with Facebook's AI? I guess by the time that's possible Facebook's pretend AI will already have cornered the market. The public will only be able to see that you were the late entrant and that while your AI is faster it's occasionally incorrect in peculiar ways... This seems like a fairly solid plan by Facebook to crown themselves the winners of a race t…

Pretending you have a working technology when you don't has been a recent theme in the startup world.

Vaporware is neither new nor restricted to the startup world. There's actually a whole (sub)genre of music based on the concept!

Re: Facebook M – The Anti-Turing Test

#20

Post by personjerry »

provemewrong wrote: post #16
pjc50 wrote: post #10

This is a new angle on the app-outsourcing-to-low-paid-contractors "technology": it's so dehumanising that you have to pretend to be a computer while you work! It's also strikingly similar to the original "mechanical turk".

>It's also strikingly similar to the original "mechanical turk". That's what the M stands for.

No, it's not. Unless you have a citation...?
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