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Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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How about not singling out FB and forbid the same to Google and others as well?

Like in their search engine indexes? The EU has been attacking that for a couple of years now.

No, in the "share on Google+" buttons and in "login with Google" buttons, and with captchas, and who knows what else. There are dozens of companies tracking your every move, Google is just one example.

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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How about not singling out FB and forbid the same to Google and others as well?

Yes, LinkedIn is another offender that I'm sure also does this, even more aggressively than Facebook. They blatantly try to download your contact list by directly asking your email password to build shadow profiles and propose new contacts.

And I guess WhatsApp probably also used the same practice to grow their network, using contact lists extracted from phones.

As I understand it, these practices are simply illegal in the EU and always were. Regrettably, the billions that were made this way (mostly by US companies) will probably never be returned.

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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How about not singling out FB and forbid the same to Google and others as well?

Yes, LinkedIn is another offender that I'm sure also does this, even more aggressively than Facebook. They blatantly try to download your contact list by directly asking your email password to build shadow profiles and propose new contacts. And I guess WhatsApp probably also used the same practice to grow their network, using contact lists extracted from phones. As I understand it, these practices are simply illegal…

    > And I guess WhatsApp probably also used the same
    > practice to grow their network
... how would that work? I've never seen WhatsApp offer to let me message someone who didn't have an account.

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, LinkedIn is another offender that I'm sure also does this, even more aggressively than Facebook. They blatantly try to download your contact list by directly asking your email password to build shadow profiles and propose new contacts. And I guess WhatsApp probably also used the same practice to grow their network, using contact lists extracted from phones. As I understand it, these practices are simply illegal…

> And I guess WhatsApp probably also used the same > practice to grow their network ... how would that work? I've never seen WhatsApp offer to let me message someone who didn't have an account.

I think the idea of a shadow account is that you build the information on the person (from disparate data points, like phone contacts) and their connections. Then when they sign up they are presented with a list of people that have them in their contacts. From a UX perspective it can be nice but I can definitely see the privacy concerns.

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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How about not singling out FB and forbid the same to Google and others as well?

The commission says that, unlike Google, FB was refusing to respond to their questions: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-05-18/talk-to-us...

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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What I find hilarious is that besides this being like the 4th or 5th time Facebook got caught with this sort of tracking [1], and each time claiming it's "only a bug" - which it also did when it got caught in Belgium this spring [2] - it now comes and says "Wait a minute! We've been using this umm...bug...for 5 years! We will appeal the ruling! We want to keep using that...umm, bug." [3] > The company is “working to…

Thanks for the links! OgleFace not only has our best brains working on getting people to click more ads, said brains are also whirring furiously justifying why OgleFace has gone off the charts on the scale of 0 to creepy. Sad..

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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Like in their search engine indexes? The EU has been attacking that for a couple of years now.

No, in the "share on Google+" buttons and in "login with Google" buttons, and with captchas, and who knows what else. There are dozens of companies tracking your every move, Google is just one example.

Adsense "users" (website visitors), Google Analytics "users" (website visitors), etc, etc. Its a deep rabbit hole. Imagine a world where Google can't store all of this data.

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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How about we learn to deal with the fact that they're not storing data that is yours in the sense of ownership, but only in the sense that it's about you? They're not storing data for no reason; They are storing data their customers have provided for the purposes of contacting you. They are storing data about you for the people who, like it or not, you shared your data with.

The nasty 90s database-dump sharing is over; Companies hoard this data and consider it their private treasure, not to mention the nasty and ill-considered privacy laws that have already sprung up around sharing it. Facebook is not selling your info to marketers; They are selling your eyeballs to marketers if you use the service, and using your data to better target it. For all the egregious offenses that Facebook is guilty of, this is not an offense.

I have the right to a little black book. I have a right to a diary that calls you names. I have a right to free speech, and sometimes your name is on my lips.

Re: Belgium Tells Facebook to Stop Storing Personal Data from Non-Users

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, in the "share on Google+" buttons and in "login with Google" buttons, and with captchas, and who knows what else. There are dozens of companies tracking your every move, Google is just one example.

Adsense "users" (website visitors), Google Analytics "users" (website visitors), etc, etc. Its a deep rabbit hole. Imagine a world where Google can't store all of this data.

I have been, for a while now.
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