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Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by mondalaci »

nocsaer1 wrote: post #6
mondalaci wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even though you can use Autohotkey and similar software to remap your layout but it's limited in various aspects so as it turns out hardware-level remapping has no substitute. It's also nice to create keymaps, save it to the onboard EEPROM and be able to move your UHK across different computers without ever dealing with (OS-specific) remapping again. The staggered columns are indeed offset to create an angle but it's…

It is still almost always worse. Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense, when you can store a script online or in a small storage device if internet access is a problem somehow, and it works with every computer that has a standard keyboard. Just like the drivers, script has to be written only once, but has the benefit of sharing with any other user for free without requiring special hardware. The be…

"Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense" - I agree about this, the large device being a bulky host computer. Various OSes have various (sometimes quite severe) limitations regarding remapping and the "script" that you mention is also OS-specific which is a pain if you use multiple OSes.

Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by mondalaci »

nocsaer1 wrote: post #8
richardboegli wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using Autohotkey now, but I cannot have same shortcuts when I am using a Android or Apple device. This would negate the need.

Of course you can. Powerful remapping tools exist on both OS X and Android. You can also access the system's api directly, instead of buying hardware to do that for you under the illusion that you hacked something.

Please name such tools on OSX and Android that enable to user to create kemaps and layers in a similar fashion and preferably doesn't require the user to root the device.

Accessing the system APIs have no use in alone. The solution should work out of the box without hacking for ages.

Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by nocsaer1 »

mondalaci wrote: post #11
nocsaer1 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is still almost always worse. Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense, when you can store a script online or in a small storage device if internet access is a problem somehow, and it works with every computer that has a standard keyboard. Just like the drivers, script has to be written only once, but has the benefit of sharing with any other user for free without requiring special hardware. The be…

"Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense" - I agree about this, the large device being a bulky host computer. Various OSes have various (sometimes quite severe) limitations regarding remapping and the "script" that you mention is also OS-specific which is a pain if you use multiple OSes.

>"Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense" - I agree about this, the large device being a bulky host computer.

Strawman. The large device is the keyboard you need to lug around. Tell me, is your keyboard designed for use with a computer?

>Various OSes have various (sometimes quite severe) limitations regarding remapping and the "script" that you mention is also OS-specific which is a pain if you use multiple OSes.

No. It isn't a pain, it called hacking and you only need to do it once and it is free and shareable. So in this sense only one person has to do it once and it just works for everyone else from then on.

Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by nocsaer1 »

mondalaci wrote: post #12
nocsaer1 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course you can. Powerful remapping tools exist on both OS X and Android. You can also access the system's api directly, instead of buying hardware to do that for you under the illusion that you hacked something.

Please name such tools on OSX and Android that enable to user to create kemaps and layers in a similar fashion and preferably doesn't require the user to root the device. Accessing the system APIs have no use in alone. The solution should work out of the box without hacking for ages.

You can find them online. Some might require root some don't. They can also enable complete programmability and deep iteraction with the system if needed, unlike macros.

Using scripts works out of the box without hacking for ages as well. You only need to write the script once, and then share it with the world. This is the point I made in other comments already which you read but ignored the point.

Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by mondalaci »

nocsaer1 wrote: post #14
mondalaci wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please name such tools on OSX and Android that enable to user to create kemaps and layers in a similar fashion and preferably doesn't require the user to root the device. Accessing the system APIs have no use in alone. The solution should work out of the box without hacking for ages.

You can find them online. Some might require root some don't. They can also enable complete programmability and deep iteraction with the system if needed, unlike macros. Using scripts works out of the box without hacking for ages as well. You only need to write the script once, and then share it with the world. This is the point I made in other comments already which you read but ignored the point.

Instead of making blanket statements, please name these Android and OSX applications.

I know from experience that scripts do not work out of the box. Often times their syntax is nontrivial. I also know quite few limitations of xmodmap/xev keymaps and autohotkey. Using a configuration application does work out of the box.

Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by mondalaci »

nocsaer1 wrote: post #13
mondalaci wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense" - I agree about this, the large device being a bulky host computer. Various OSes have various (sometimes quite severe) limitations regarding remapping and the "script" that you mention is also OS-specific which is a pain if you use multiple OSes.

>"Storing the mapping on a large device doesn't make sense" - I agree about this, the large device being a bulky host computer. Strawman. The large device is the keyboard you need to lug around. Tell me, is your keyboard designed for use with a computer? >Various OSes have various (sometimes quite severe) limitations regarding remapping and the "script" that you mention is also OS-specific which is a pain if you use…

> Tell me, is your keyboard designed for use with a computer?

Of course it is.

> No. It isn't a pain, it called hacking and you only need to do it once and it is free and shareable.

It's not a pain for some who have the skills and are willing to spend enough time. The big difference is that we enable users to make this work in an intiutive, platform-independent way.

Re: Ultimate Hacking Keyboard – Why you need to buy one, Ultimate configurability

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Post by richardboegli »

nocsaer1 wrote: post #8
richardboegli wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm using Autohotkey now, but I cannot have same shortcuts when I am using a Android or Apple device. This would negate the need.

Of course you can. Powerful remapping tools exist on both OS X and Android. You can also access the system's api directly, instead of buying hardware to do that for you under the illusion that you hacked something.

Sorry, when I said Apple, I meant iOS.

There is an app that allow for key combo config on Android. I'll edit post when I can recall it.

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