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TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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These are rules for States. It has no bearing whatsoever on the GPL. This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market. It also helps to prevent States from demanding and acquiring encryption or other private keys (there's a separate section that also explicitly forbids mandating backdoors be added). Not everything in th…

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Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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The "parties" of a treaty are governments. This has nothing to do with GPL. This is saying that a government can't say "you aren't allowed to sell software in the country of Frain as a non-Frainian unless you provide the source code for that product (whether to the end user or to the government)". They leave an exception for "critical infrastructure", because it was hard to argue that the government of Frain shouldn'…

Well, you will be surprised how much can be classified as critical.

I will just put one copy of windows in a powerplant. Somewhere.

Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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These are rules for States. It has no bearing whatsoever on the GPL. This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market. It also helps to prevent States from demanding and acquiring encryption or other private keys (there's a separate section that also explicitly forbids mandating backdoors be added). Not everything in th…

>This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market.

Since when is that a good thing?

Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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These are rules for States. It has no bearing whatsoever on the GPL. This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market. It also helps to prevent States from demanding and acquiring encryption or other private keys (there's a separate section that also explicitly forbids mandating backdoors be added). Not everything in th…

It also would prevent government agencies from demanding i.e. the source code of a car's ECU to verify its safety and emissions behavior.

The only way out of this would be to declare car ECUs (or other systems) as "critical infrastructure", the definition of which I'm sure will be subject to many political tug-of-wars once this is implemented.

Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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post #7

The "parties" of a treaty are governments. This has nothing to do with GPL. This is saying that a government can't say "you aren't allowed to sell software in the country of Frain as a non-Frainian unless you provide the source code for that product (whether to the end user or to the government)". They leave an exception for "critical infrastructure", because it was hard to argue that the government of Frain shouldn'…

Although any nation state that does not like capitalism, surely would not be signing a trade agreement to open up trading markets.

Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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post #7

The "parties" of a treaty are governments. This has nothing to do with GPL. This is saying that a government can't say "you aren't allowed to sell software in the country of Frain as a non-Frainian unless you provide the source code for that product (whether to the end user or to the government)". They leave an exception for "critical infrastructure", because it was hard to argue that the government of Frain shouldn'…

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Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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post #4

These are rules for States. It has no bearing whatsoever on the GPL. This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market. It also helps to prevent States from demanding and acquiring encryption or other private keys (there's a separate section that also explicitly forbids mandating backdoors be added). Not everything in th…

>This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market. Since when is that a good thing?

Since Capitalism ;)

Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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So in short, if I understand this correctly, the US government (and any other government party to the treaty) will for example be unable to insist that Volkswagen (or any other manufacturer) open source their future emissions control software (as a condition for regulatory compliance) ?

They can still do this. However VW can later sue them for damages equal to their lost profits in a secret court.

It will certainly make it a lot easier for VW lobbyists to kill legislation intended to regulate them this way.

Re: TPP banning requirements to transfer or access to source code of software

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post #4

These are rules for States. It has no bearing whatsoever on the GPL. This prevents a country from forcing somebody like Microsoft or Apple to give up their source code for "inspection" in order to access their market. It also helps to prevent States from demanding and acquiring encryption or other private keys (there's a separate section that also explicitly forbids mandating backdoors be added). Not everything in th…

> It also helps to prevent States from demanding and acquiring encryption or other private keys

boom, encryption done wrong!!

Look at PGP, source code is open. Nobody can crack it yet.

But DO we know if Apple is really on "our" side or are they just marketing it? Well, if our governments could see into the code. They could tell us. And if you tell me. Well there could be some people working for the government that could leak the code. Well then I tell you, just don't hire people who worked for a company for many years as their lead [[something]].

> Not everything in the TPP is bad. I go by the rule. If it is a big thing and will alter a lot of stuff. It primarily is bad, very very bad. And they got to convince they are doing good.

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