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Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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As an autodidact software developer, I've been lucky enough to avoid these self-doubts.

I still experience them, but the difference is I don't wonder what my peers think: For the first few years I was teaching myself how to code, the harsh open ego of my online community tore me down every step of the way. Mainly hackers and engineers on IRC.

There's nothing like hearing a peer or mentor tell me my work is utter crap, with full unabashed honesty. One of my most vivid memories is a fellow developer telling me my abilities were amateur and I wasn't qualified for the job, straight to my face, in front of all my peers. This is only possible in a pseudo-work online environment, with non-coworker peers. The impersonal pragmatism of online social groups has been a valuable crucible for suspected impostors, and it forces me to examine myself and see my failings. Harsh, and often false, but no longer a question lingering on my mind.

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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Slight rant. This is currently a major problem for me that I'm not entirely sure how to handle still.

I'm young, never went to college, and my experience is entirely through work in the financial area (with side projects). In a lot of ways, I've fallen into the "Jack of all trades, master of none" spectrum. Give me any complex problem and I can generally solve it, even if I don't have experience with it. I have a very good track record and most previous bosses regard me very highly. My skills aren't entirely traditional, but they work pretty damn well.

That changed when I followed a senior colleague into a new position as a newly minted senior linux admin. As soon as I joined, I received an asinine amount of anger of nepotism or where suggestions are generally viewed as naive, then ignored. Two of those naive things were, "why does QA have root access? Why are the root ssh keys the same as prod and QA?" and "can we fix the DNS setup so that we don't need a CAB approval to run four root-owned scripts to push /etc/hosts to 95% of prod servers?". If it weren't that most of the environment isn't documented and makes our lives hell, I wouldn't bring these things up. On top of that, we're a large web company, so it's insane that these things are trivialized.

I'd like to get out of it, but at the same time, I feel like if I can get out of if, I can get out of most things. It's a complete brainfuck and killed most of my confidence at this place.

Imposter syndrome is difficult.

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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I came to the conclusion (which I later confirmed by reading a quote by someone famous, can't remember right now), that most intelligent people will realize that no matter how intelligent they are, there always someone else more intelligent. And even if you look up to THE most intelligent people of mankind's history (think polymaths, the DaVincis, Eulers, Leibnizs, etc), they STILL knew they couldn't know everything/be the best at everything. There's even a famous scene in a Simpsons chapter where Homer looks up to Edison as an inventor and then he realizes that even Edison looks up to someone (I think DaVinci in the cartoon).

So at some point when my impostor syndrome gets to me, I remember that in the end it's really never going to go away and secondly, it will keep me reminding me that there's still a lot to learn and that helps me stay humble because I know any day I might meet the most improbable of persons, that will teach me something that I didn't know.

In other words, I have found that keeping my impostor syndrome alive (but not letting it paralyze me as another poster suggests) helps me keep my ego in check. On one hand my ego let's me enjoy the painful fruits of frustration and experience and then my syndrome avoids that from letting me float so high that I burn with the flames of ego.

In the end, that still doesn't negate the fact that it's a constant drain of energy having to balance the two. I guess that's part of the reason why they say ignorance is bliss... although I'm not sure it's a particularly enjoyable bliss.

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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The other extreme is described in "Assholes, a Theory", by Aaron James. This is a serious book on organizational behavior. From a review: "James proposes a theory of assholes (a person is an asshole when his sense of entitlement makes him immune to complaints from other people) that explains not only why assholes are a vital part of human society, but also how to recognize them and coexist with them."

Note the definition: "a person is an asshole when his sense of entitlement makes him immune to complaints from other people." This is the clear opposite of impostor syndrome.

O wad some Pow'r the giftie gie us, To see oursels as ithers see us! - Robert Burns

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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post #12

Slight rant. This is currently a major problem for me that I'm not entirely sure how to handle still. I'm young, never went to college, and my experience is entirely through work in the financial area (with side projects). In a lot of ways, I've fallen into the "Jack of all trades, master of none" spectrum. Give me any complex problem and I can generally solve it, even if I don't have experience with it. I have a ver…

In regards to the Jack of all trades quote, the full thing is: "Jack of all trades, master of none, though often times better than a master of one."

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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In my opinion and experience startup founders, whether singly or in small groups, suffer the opposite of imposter syndrome: they know exactly what they are doing, but the world does not take them seriously, or believe it. In essence founders of projects are considered imposters; and closing one or two financing rounds doesn't materially affect this.

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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post #11

As an autodidact software developer, I've been lucky enough to avoid these self-doubts. I still experience them, but the difference is I don't wonder what my peers think: For the first few years I was teaching myself how to code, the harsh open ego of my online community tore me down every step of the way. Mainly hackers and engineers on IRC. There's nothing like hearing a peer or mentor tell me my work is utter crap…

Sounds horrible. I came across the following quote earlier today that sums up my reaction pretty well: "Honesty without empathy is cruelty."

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

A little imposter syndrome keeps you hungry. A lot of imposter syndrome is paralyzing. I had a very similar experience to you during my first performance review at Microsoft. Thought I was just scraping by, ended up getting a promotion.

The 'lack of confidence' led me to mentally enjoy competitions because I then don't have to query people to know my place.

A very interesting humble brag thread. I'm not sure it's imposter syndrome if you think you're doing well when presented with evidence and then believe it. Not by definition anyway.

The performance reviews remind me of this little joke (actually a common real experience) -- "I got rated Above Average!" 'What was the average rating?' "Let me check... Oh. It's Exceptional".

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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post #12

Slight rant. This is currently a major problem for me that I'm not entirely sure how to handle still. I'm young, never went to college, and my experience is entirely through work in the financial area (with side projects). In a lot of ways, I've fallen into the "Jack of all trades, master of none" spectrum. Give me any complex problem and I can generally solve it, even if I don't have experience with it. I have a ver…

What exactly is the brainfuck for you? I don't fully understand when you say "I'd like to get out of it, but at the same time, I feel like if I can get out of if, I can get out of most things".

What I mean is, as far as I understand the impostor syndrome happens when you are at a place that you feel you don't deserve (or that you aren't really up to the task/at the limit of your abilities).

In your case it seems the other way around. Your environment doesn't seem to be up to what you can achieve (by what you describe of course).

Wouldn't that cause the opposite effect? i.e. thinking, how the hell are these people my seniors/running things like this? They should now better.

Or maybe I'm misunderstanding and you feel like the syndrome was pushed unto you by means of people being arrogant towards you?

If that's the case then I recommend to just keep cultivating yourself in the different subjects that interest you, to be sure that you really are the one that's correct (you never know when you will be "sure" of something just to find out you were wrong, being humble and double checking before opening my mouth has saved me lots of embarrassments... conversely because previously I didn't shut my mouth lots of times and got burned.), try to learn as much as you can from the actual experience of bearing with people that doesn't sound very pleasant to work with, and then get out of there when you can.

It definitely doesn't sound like a healthy place to be.

Re: Learning to Deal with the Impostor Syndrome

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post #11

As an autodidact software developer, I've been lucky enough to avoid these self-doubts. I still experience them, but the difference is I don't wonder what my peers think: For the first few years I was teaching myself how to code, the harsh open ego of my online community tore me down every step of the way. Mainly hackers and engineers on IRC. There's nothing like hearing a peer or mentor tell me my work is utter crap…

Sounds horrible. I came across the following quote earlier today that sums up my reaction pretty well: "Honesty without empathy is cruelty."

It was. On the other hand I feel like I know exactly my skill level and limitations.
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