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The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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That's why any startup that wants business will make an Inc in the US. It's legally much simpler to do so, and leave your offices in the cheap EU. US Inc can employ your offices and at the same time have no people working in the US. US is saved by ruthless capitalism. When I see what politicians from my country voted on I'm realizing that journalists, political science majors, historians, spanish/english/lang languag…

"saved"?

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Lets take for example a simple law that says all employers must give their employees health insurance. No sane person is against people having health insurance Given that in many countries apart from the US, health insurance is provided by the government and/or private sector, I'd posit that there are quite a few sane people who don't believe having employers be responsible for providing health insurance is necessar…

I do not live in the US, I chose a specificlly US example because most people are probably familiar with the US system here. Regardless, if you read my statement, it has nothing to do with whether a company/govt should or should not provide insurance, just that "no sane person is against people having health insurance". If someone thinks, in general, people should not have health care services I think there is someth…

Sorry, I assumed from the sentence preceding it that you meant that no sane person would be against employers providing health insurance.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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That's why any startup that wants business will make an Inc in the US. It's legally much simpler to do so, and leave your offices in the cheap EU. US Inc can employ your offices and at the same time have no people working in the US. US is saved by ruthless capitalism. When I see what politicians from my country voted on I'm realizing that journalists, political science majors, historians, spanish/english/lang languag…

If you operate an independent Office of a foreign company in Germany (what your suggestion boils down to) you have to abide by almost the same laws that would apply if you had been incorporated in Germany. I assume it's the same in most other countries. Only huge companies can get around this by operating in many different countries and actually having employees in each of those.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

#14

That's why any startup that wants business will make an Inc in the US. It's legally much simpler to do so, and leave your offices in the cheap EU. US Inc can employ your offices and at the same time have no people working in the US. US is saved by ruthless capitalism. When I see what politicians from my country voted on I'm realizing that journalists, political science majors, historians, spanish/english/lang languag…

  That's why any startup that wants business will make an Inc in the US.
  
  It's legally much simpler to do so, and leave your offices in the cheap 
  EU. US Inc can employ your offices and at the same time have no people 
  working in the US.

  US is saved by ruthless capitalism. When I see what politicians from my 
  country voted on I'm realizing that journalists, political science 
  majors, historians, spanish/english/lang language teachers, 
  philosophers, artists and bunch of other social scientists know much 
  about nothing - maybe it says something about our national universities, 
  maybe about these science areas as a whole, who knows. But for some 
  reason they think they are capable of having a career in politics, and 
  it works.
Eh? Did you read the article?

It states that the US has more stringent and complete controls on net neutrality than the EU. The EU has loopholes, therefore less controlling and protectionist (consumer) than the US.

If you want to take corporate advantage of lax net neutrality protection laws, then you are better off utilising "ruthless capitalism" in the EU (for this particular instance), and not in the US.

You argument is backwards.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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The European Parliament has partially eroded net neutrality with its decision on the 27th October due to loopholes.

No. The Parliament had written a version without loopholes. The Council then modified it, and said "If you don’t add these loopholes, we’ll veto it and all future variants of it". As the council is representatives of the governments of the nations, complain to your government, not to the EU.

It's the same pattern as always: If the EU does something positive, then "your countries government worked really hard for that". If it's something people think critical of, blame the evil EU and deny your involvment.

An often cited example in Germany is Regulation (EC) 244/2009 which bans classical light bulbs. Always blamed on the EU. What nobody tells you, is that it was proposed by then-minister for environment Gabriel and heavily lobbied for by chancellor Merkel. Doesn't stop one of them to use it as an example of over-regulation.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The Parliament had written a version without loopholes. The Council then modified it, and said "If you don’t add these loopholes, we’ll veto it and all future variants of it". As the council is representatives of the governments of the nations, complain to your government, not to the EU.

It's the same pattern as always: If the EU does something positive, then "your countries government worked really hard for that". If it's something people think critical of, blame the evil EU and deny your involvment. An often cited example in Germany is Regulation (EC) 244/2009 which bans classical light bulbs. Always blamed on the EU. What nobody tells you, is that it was proposed by then-minister for environment G…

And, as a German:

EC 244/2009 led to lots of LED manufacturers trying to push their products and competing, leading to 8W 1200 Lumen warm-white LED light bulbs being available for less than 15€ by now everywhere.

In my family, before the regulation we had several light bulbs and mercury-bulbs from IKEA which were expensive, but now we switched to these LEDs and have better light at lower cost. (At $0.40 per kWh German electricity prices make switching to LED make sense).

Also many fun fair attraction owners switched to LED, and quickly discovered how having a programmable LED array is far better for flashy lights than few larger lights.

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In general, though: Yes. It always happens.

Same as in the refugee crisis, too. For the cost of building fences between all the EU countries that we did, we could have built a fence at the outer borders twice.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The Parliament had written a version without loopholes. The Council then modified it, and said "If you don’t add these loopholes, we’ll veto it and all future variants of it". As the council is representatives of the governments of the nations, complain to your government, not to the EU.

It's the same pattern as always: If the EU does something positive, then "your countries government worked really hard for that". If it's something people think critical of, blame the evil EU and deny your involvment. An often cited example in Germany is Regulation (EC) 244/2009 which bans classical light bulbs. Always blamed on the EU. What nobody tells you, is that it was proposed by then-minister for environment G…

And all the bullshit that UK's tabloids like to write, than then gets regurgitated by the regular press in the mainland. Things like "straightening bananas", "reclassifying snails as fish", "declaring juice to be a juice" - every time I actually went to check the actual regulations, they made absolute, perfect sense. But the press misrepresents it to mock the EU and thus general population believes EU is just bunch of idiot bureaucrats out to codify everything.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same pattern as always: If the EU does something positive, then "your countries government worked really hard for that". If it's something people think critical of, blame the evil EU and deny your involvment. An often cited example in Germany is Regulation (EC) 244/2009 which bans classical light bulbs. Always blamed on the EU. What nobody tells you, is that it was proposed by then-minister for environment G…

And, as a German: EC 244/2009 led to lots of LED manufacturers trying to push their products and competing, leading to 8W 1200 Lumen warm-white LED light bulbs being available for less than 15€ by now everywhere. In my family, before the regulation we had several light bulbs and mercury-bulbs from IKEA which were expensive, but now we switched to these LEDs and have better light at lower cost. (At $0.40 per kWh Germa…

The lightbulb situation is a mess. For some reason people insist on buying the banned incandescent ones (things slowly change because LEDs are getting cheaper), which led to them coming back into all shops as "industrial material, not for home use". Of course everyone buys them anyway, but now that producers don't need to conform to norms for home use, they start to fail deadly. My mother bought one recently (she didn't have time to get a proper energy-saving one from a home improvement store where she buys them bulk), and we had it literally explode at home, throwing glass shards all around the kitchen, when my brother tried to turn on the light.

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European Parliament has partially eroded net neutrality with its decision on the 27th October due to loopholes.

No. The Parliament had written a version without loopholes. The Council then modified it, and said "If you don’t add these loopholes, we’ll veto it and all future variants of it". As the council is representatives of the governments of the nations, complain to your government, not to the EU.

What exactly can my government (country population < 2 million) do when german telekom bribes their way through the council?

Re: The EU’s new internet rules will hurt the continent’s startups

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post #6
post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The European Parliament has partially eroded net neutrality with its decision on the 27th October due to loopholes.

No. The Parliament had written a version without loopholes. The Council then modified it, and said "If you don’t add these loopholes, we’ll veto it and all future variants of it". As the council is representatives of the governments of the nations, complain to your government, not to the EU.

Where can we see these two version of the legislation?
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