I understand your frustration, but you dug that hole for your self. If you want $15/h, tell the client that. Or give a quote. When you just leave it to them, of course they will low ball you.
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#12What was that "Indian/Fillipino guy/girl" part about. Do you thing we don't code? Or is incompetence a function of race in your mind? :(
That person was doing manual copy and paste. So yes, they didn't code.
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#13What was that "Indian/Fillipino guy/girl" part about. Do you thing we don't code? Or is incompetence a function of race in your mind? :(
you missed part "without any programming skills". I know there are good coders from those countries, I was talking about those who underbidding and work for $1 per hour doing manual/low quality work
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#14People are going to try their luck in negotiations. That's what they do.
"Would $15 be fair to you for this category?"
Counter-offer with something that you think reflects the value you're going to provide. Will she take it? Maybe yes, maybe no - you get idiots in every line of work. If she doesn't take it, and you're dealing honestly, it's her loss.
At the end of the day though, you did let her open. That's kinda on you.
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#15What was that "Indian/Fillipino guy/girl" part about. Do you thing we don't code? Or is incompetence a function of race in your mind? :(
I rather you paste the entire phrase. On a first glance, it captures right away my attention. But yeah dude he said "for some" so I just skip that and continue reading.
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#16this is a post about Upwork, change the title back...
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#17Is there much of a difference between freelancing and software contracting? I've met a handful people who are part of a company (read: agency) of 1-5 and making really good money ($60/hr+). But they're also in the Bay Area.
$60/hr is not particularly good money in the Bay Area.
Source? What is ideal for Bay Area? Most startups I see have salaries around ~$80k (~$32/hr for 48hr week or ~$40/hr for 40hr week)
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#18The hell, the title of the blog does not even relates to the story he had. And that story, is just part of many stories of freelancing as ups and downs.
Why would you ask your Client about the rate if your not ready to hear low ballers deal. Its a competition of doing the job, but that doesn't mean you have to low your price to get the deal. You may do the task for about an hour only but they have to know that you spend hundred of hours to get that done right away.
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#19What was that "Indian/Fillipino guy/girl" part about. Do you thing we don't code? Or is incompetence a function of race in your mind? :(
I have solidarity with your point of view. However, I'm French and I once lived in Australia for 3 years. And I can tell you that their programmers know what they're doing, better, on a massive scale, than the French IT sector. They know when to align behind the boss (which is surprising for a French guy) but still know how to stir internal debate, they have understandings of marketing and economics, they master several languages each, they output software faster with better quality. We get paid twice more in Australia than France, and the job requirement was twice higher. It's not even personal skills, it's sometimes how we act in teams.
We need to be humble, fellow Indian/Fillipino guy/girl. Yet they hired me, because as Agile as they are, they don't know anything about CMMi-based corporations ;)
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#20So people should not become freelancers, based on your single bad experience, make sense. I was expecting some data backing up your statement or at least proper story. tl;dr - This guy is freelancer and few days ago he was contacted by stupid client who thought he will work almost for free.
I was just telling about my experience working on odesk (read biggest freelance website). This is not first case of stupid client and I'm not first day there. What kind of backup? Link to my profile? Ok will update post now.
Sergey, one advice - please do NOT work for $15/hr. All it takes to charge $XXX/hr (or $8X-$9X/hr ) is just to ask for it. Seriously. And keep away from odesk/upwork/etc.. race to the bottom sites. Search and contact prospective clients yourself - as if you'd looking for standard job. No middle-man is needed here.