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How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by SixSigma »

I would say that "coffee" = daytime activity and "chicken" = night time activity.

What a data scientist would have done is find the list of shops and property prices and see which correlate.

Of course, you also need to do it over time because "up and coming" implies the future state, not the current.

1. Buy cheap housing in area that attracts new grads / creatives / artists

2. Those people attract certain business types

3. Hot area attracts richer people + people in 1 get more money

4. Property prices rise

5. Sell

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by rezistik »

aembleton wrote: post #4
aembleton wrote: post #2

Where did you get the data on coffee shops and chicken shops from?

I've just realised that this wasn't a `Show HN` so the submitter and the author may well be different people. I've left a comment on the medium article. The reason I ask is that I recently purchased a house in Manchester and as part of that collected as much data as possible on things like crime stats, walking time to nearest reailway station, cycling time to work, etc. I didn't get data on coffee or chicken shops. I…

Couldn't you use like, Google Maps?

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by dabeeeenster »

sarreph wrote: post #9

I don't necessarily agree with the premise of this article, as many other commenters point out. To offer an alternative, my own theory is that the 'up and coming' areas are cropping up down the Shoreditch fringe , i.e. Borough (which is seeing a lot of commercial and residential development, and Elephant & Castle (same as Borough, albeit more behind in completion). Such a 'fringe' also spills off into the East, too.…

Property in Borough would be insanely expensive compared to Peckham...

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by slowmotiony »

acgourley wrote: post #5

Wouldn't you want an area with both? I may be missing the context of London's culture - but if 'up and coming' means 'being gentrified' wouldn't you want to pick an area that has a barbell distribution of upper class and lower class establishments?

Not if you're buying property as an investment.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by mattlutze »

My office computer is blocking Medium for some reason, but, certainly the choice of a fried chicken joint must be localized?

There's a few regions of the US I've lived where fried chicken isn't really a thing, in general. I'm not sure that'd it would make sense to extend the model to those locations at least.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by toyg »

acgourley wrote: post #5

Wouldn't you want an area with both? I may be missing the context of London's culture - but if 'up and coming' means 'being gentrified' wouldn't you want to pick an area that has a barbell distribution of upper class and lower class establishments?

Worst: some areas are very coffee-dense only because they're close to large transportation hubs, which usually don't make for great areas. Chicken shops gravitate towards entertainment areas, which may or may not be "up and coming".

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by azernik »

mattlutze wrote: post #16

My office computer is blocking Medium for some reason, but, certainly the choice of a fried chicken joint must be localized? There's a few regions of the US I've lived where fried chicken isn't really a thing, in general. I'm not sure that'd it would make sense to extend the model to those locations at least.

In the US, fried chicken has very specific associations - it's a classic marker of African-American ethnic food. So it might signify "up-and-coming", but for a very different reason, reflecting racial and ethnic displacement that comes with gentrification in historically-black neighborhoods.

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by aembleton »

rezistik wrote: post #12
aembleton wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've just realised that this wasn't a `Show HN` so the submitter and the author may well be different people. I've left a comment on the medium article. The reason I ask is that I recently purchased a house in Manchester and as part of that collected as much data as possible on things like crime stats, walking time to nearest reailway station, cycling time to work, etc. I didn't get data on coffee or chicken shops. I…

Couldn't you use like, Google Maps?

I don't know. Is there a way in the API of requesting all coffee shops?

Re: How to know if where you live is “up and coming”: fried chicken vs. coffee shops

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Post by ubernostrum »

Xophmeister wrote: post #3

There's no justification for the assumption of a high coffee-to-chicken ratio implying up-and-coming. It's not an unreasonable assumption, but it's definitely anecdotal.

It's anecdotal, but enough reliable anecdotes do actually turn into "data".

My personal marker has always been, when visiting a city for the first time, to pay attention to the roadside advertisements I see on the ride from the airport to the city center.

Aside from obvious things like payday/title loan shops, the most reliable indicator I've seen of a neighborhood being badly off is ads for cheap dentures and dental implants.

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