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Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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~50% of undergrads at Stanford are female. ~30% of new Stanford computer science majors are female.

So more than 50% of Stanford undergrads are CS? Shit. Does that not sound like aa glut?

No, those two statistics alone don't say anything about the total number of CS majors. Per the article, CS represents ~20% (of students with declared majors).

Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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This is cool, and interesting in a couple of ways. The declarations are preliminary, meaning (I presume) that students may change their minds; according to some studies (e.g. [1]), women tend to transfer out of CS at a higher rate than men. Some anecdotal reasons behind this include a hostile atmosphere/alienation [2], sexism from students and teachers, unequal backgrounds due to pre-college factors [3] and so on (of course, there are plenty of non-gender related reasons why someone might switch majors).

The flip side is, these are upperclassmen, which I understand to mean they probably have been taking CS classes for some time already at Stanford. Most of these factors would have been encountered already if they are indeed present at all, which is cheering in its own way.

[1] http://www.academia.edu/5317313/STEM_Switching_Examining_Dep...

[2] http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/womens-business/11182833/Ho...

[3] http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2014/10/21/357629765/when-...

Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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Really glad to see these trends, not only at Stanford, but other universities. Diversity in any field makes it richer.

> Diversity in any field makes it richer.

In a testable way?

I'm really interested to see which of diversity's claimed benefits hold up to scrutiny. Perfectly happy to see diversity as an end and not a means.

Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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With their high number of (rejected) applications and subjective criteria they can of course shape these statistics any way they want. So is this progress or Stanford appearing progressive ? There is no way to tell.

You doubt university administrators sincerity ;) I've noticed very few of these articles look at the recent past ('80s) when women were a significant percentage of programmers. I'm too young but I have the feeling working conditions were much better back then.

> I'm too young but I have the feeling working conditions were much better back then.

You mean working conditions for programmers?

From talking to people who worked in computing back then (like my grandfather), it seems like we have it better today. Of course that's only anecdotal, and my perception of today is as coloured as my choice of people to talk to.

Would be interesting to see a more formal study.

Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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~50% of undergrads at Stanford are female. ~30% of new Stanford computer science majors are female.

So more than 50% of Stanford undergrads are CS? Shit. Does that not sound like aa glut?

And if it were true, it doesn't necessarily mean it's a glut. CS is, to some extent, the new mechanical or electrical engineering. ME and EE are very broad degree programs, with students coming out of the same university with totally different specializations. They may have only taken 50% of their courses in common with each other. CS is (or depending on the school, is going) in that same vein.

Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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How many of them are just doing it for money since salaries are high right now? How many of them actually would do it if it paid 50k instead of a 100k?

I think it's the same with finance, right? Lots of people follow the money --whether it be finance, CS, law, med-school.

Personally I think it's BS for people to tell you to "follow your passion" and also am critical of the "we need people who are passionate about x". Most people work as a way to make a living.

Re: Computer science is now the top major for women at Stanford University

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How many of them are just doing it for money since salaries are high right now? How many of them actually would do it if it paid 50k instead of a 100k?

And the same can be said of many Men...

The first thing that came to my mind, is that many girls that are interested in this stuff may now feel more comfortable than ever to enroll in Computer Science, as the issue of sexism is being tackled and talked about a lot.

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