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The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#11
I think the EFF is being a bit hyperbolic here. This is certainly not all that we feared.

TPP actually seems fairly banal from a U.S. perspective, in part because so much of what is listed here directly mirrors U.S. law. (Laws like the length of copyright and the DMCA.)

From the issues listed, I don't see how life will change online after TPP for U.S. citizens in any major way. This seems positively mild compared to something like SOPA.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#12

One thing EFF left out re: DMCA-style takedown laws: TPP member nations are required to require takedowns of content whenever a copyright owner _alleges_ there is infringement. But there is no requirement for a counter-notice or dispute process to get content restored. This could be a wholesale censorship process in countries that decide to have more restrictive laws.

Well the studios will obviously pressure content sites to include a dispute process, otherwise trolls from 4chan will issue DMCA takedowns right back at them.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#13
The second-to-last paragraph contains this summary: "If you look for provisions in the TPP that actually afford new benefits to users, rather than to large, rights-holding corporations, you will look in vain. The TPP is the archetype of an agreement that exists only for the benefit of the entitled, politically powerfully lobbyists who have pushed it through to completion over the last eight years."

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#14

I think the EFF is being a bit hyperbolic here. This is certainly not all that we feared. TPP actually seems fairly banal from a U.S. perspective, in part because so much of what is listed here directly mirrors U.S. law. (Laws like the length of copyright and the DMCA.) From the issues listed, I don't see how life will change online after TPP for U.S. citizens in any major way. This seems positively mild compared to…

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Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#15

I think the EFF is being a bit hyperbolic here. This is certainly not all that we feared. TPP actually seems fairly banal from a U.S. perspective, in part because so much of what is listed here directly mirrors U.S. law. (Laws like the length of copyright and the DMCA.) From the issues listed, I don't see how life will change online after TPP for U.S. citizens in any major way. This seems positively mild compared to…

As a Canadian, this terrifies me. I don't want US style copyright law here. Just because the US has it, doesn't mean the rest of the world wants it (or isn't a big deal if it's implemented)

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#16

One thing EFF left out re: DMCA-style takedown laws: TPP member nations are required to require takedowns of content whenever a copyright owner _alleges_ there is infringement. But there is no requirement for a counter-notice or dispute process to get content restored. This could be a wholesale censorship process in countries that decide to have more restrictive laws.

Well the studios will obviously pressure content sites to include a dispute process, otherwise trolls from 4chan will issue DMCA takedowns right back at them.

Please, give them ideas. False flag takedowns will probably be an issue for years, as the MPAA and RIAA will realize the consequences of a dispute process (they will loose on occasion). Or maybe "rightsholders" will get special privileges to issue takedowns and all other takedowns will go through an administrative review. Anyway, the point is that getting a dispute process in place will take years, and lots of abuse, by most stakeholders.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#17

I think the EFF is being a bit hyperbolic here. This is certainly not all that we feared. TPP actually seems fairly banal from a U.S. perspective, in part because so much of what is listed here directly mirrors U.S. law. (Laws like the length of copyright and the DMCA.) From the issues listed, I don't see how life will change online after TPP for U.S. citizens in any major way. This seems positively mild compared to…

As a Canadian, this terrifies me. I don't want US style copyright law here. Just because the US has it, doesn't mean the rest of the world wants it (or isn't a big deal if it's implemented)

I feel you, dude. I don't like many of our laws either.

I'm simply pointing out that from a U.S. perspective this seems similar to the status-quo. I agree that internationally these proposals may be much scarier.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#19

One thing EFF left out re: DMCA-style takedown laws: TPP member nations are required to require takedowns of content whenever a copyright owner _alleges_ there is infringement. But there is no requirement for a counter-notice or dispute process to get content restored. This could be a wholesale censorship process in countries that decide to have more restrictive laws.

Well the studios will obviously pressure content sites to include a dispute process, otherwise trolls from 4chan will issue DMCA takedowns right back at them.

They'll make fraudulent take-down notices a serious crime, and make a few high profile examples. That'll stop the vast majority of it (more sophisticated people will continue the trolling).

Studios might also choose to push for an authenticated scheme instead. Their account gets certified (eg on YouTube), and content on that certified account becomes exempted. There are relatively few hollywood houses that would need it, so it would be easy from a scale point of few to certify them.

Re: The Final Leaked TPP Text Is All That We Feared

#20
The WHOIS-privacy thing is a little troubling. As a workaround, would it be possible to create a "domain purchasing group" as a front for private ownership?

(Primarily for stopping passive information leaks, not necessarily to prevent active / legal information requests.)

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