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Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

#11

The Obama administration has continued flawed policies in many areas, especially those infringing on the 4th Amendment.

Government basically exists to maintain the status quo. Anyone who might really change anything really won't get far enough in order to.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #2

Deceptive title, unintentionally. FTA: "Instead, the Post reports, the “administration will continue trying to persuade companies that have moved to encrypt their customers’ data to create a way for the government to still peer into people’s data when needed for criminal or terrorism investigations.” While eschewing attempts to legislatively mandate that tech companies build backdoors into their services, the preside…

On the other hand, as long as backdoors remain out of legislation, those companies are still free to say "no".

Many won't say no, because the advantage of having a government willing to look out for their bottom line is far too large to ignore for the sake of a few users.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #2

Deceptive title, unintentionally. FTA: "Instead, the Post reports, the “administration will continue trying to persuade companies that have moved to encrypt their customers’ data to create a way for the government to still peer into people’s data when needed for criminal or terrorism investigations.” While eschewing attempts to legislatively mandate that tech companies build backdoors into their services, the preside…

We've agreed as a country that the ability to get a warrant in the case of probable cause is a good thing. How is this not just maintaining that?

I find it hilarious how often privacy advocates manage to forget that we've had this conversation before, and while the government can and has overstepped in many ways, lets not throw out the ability to investigate at all along the way.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #5
post #2

Deceptive title, unintentionally. FTA: "Instead, the Post reports, the “administration will continue trying to persuade companies that have moved to encrypt their customers’ data to create a way for the government to still peer into people’s data when needed for criminal or terrorism investigations.” While eschewing attempts to legislatively mandate that tech companies build backdoors into their services, the preside…

Agreed, but it's still a massive improvement over mandating that all encryption used by citizens be thoroughly crippled. The status quo should be that the degree to which Government can intrude into citizens privacy is limited by law and subject to open public debate. We're not quite there yet, either in the US or here in the UK, but dropping the idea of crippled encryption is at least a step back from the brink even…

Ergo, why projects that provide encryption tools are so important.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the other hand, as long as backdoors remain out of legislation, those companies are still free to say "no".

Many won't say no, because the advantage of having a government willing to look out for their bottom line is far too large to ignore for the sake of a few users.

I agree. If companies aren't compelled by law to collaborate with the government, this will incentivise the government to find other ways to persuade them.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #4

I am surprised the petition has yet to reach 100k signatures. Is it optimistic to think that most of the tech community at least should recognize the significance of this? Even if you doubt its effect on real policy.

I think most people are just too lazy/paranoid to sign petitions. Tech or not.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #11

The Obama administration has continued flawed policies in many areas, especially those infringing on the 4th Amendment.

Government basically exists to maintain the status quo. Anyone who might really change anything really won't get far enough in order to. Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

Wouldn't it be good to have hope, and expect change? Our government, our country, our people can change, for the better, or for the worse. I'm sad that you think the status quo can't be changed. It can and should be.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #4

I am surprised the petition has yet to reach 100k signatures. Is it optimistic to think that most of the tech community at least should recognize the significance of this? Even if you doubt its effect on real policy.

I'm not. Who has time to fully comprehend (and act upon) this? Especially when we're already working >50h a week to maintain household status quo. It's hard to focus on the state of society's infrastructure when I'm spending every waking moment working to maintain my own. Yes, I know what is at stake, but one avenue is a long burn and the other is a short fuse. I'll tackle the more pressing issue first.

Disclosure: I work in the netsec industry and only signed this because HN brought it to my attention in the rare spare moments between my daily tasks. To use an analogy, I feel like I can't worry about putting out the forest fire if my house is already on fire in the midst of it. At the same time, I'm throwing money at someone that says they'll help me free up more time to do the forest fire fighting. We'll see if I've made a grave mistake in how I prioritize things.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #4

I am surprised the petition has yet to reach 100k signatures. Is it optimistic to think that most of the tech community at least should recognize the significance of this? Even if you doubt its effect on real policy.

I think most people are just too lazy/paranoid to sign petitions. Tech or not.

Petitions don't do anything. I donate to the EFF and Demand Progress instead.

Re: Obama Encryption Policy Rejects Laws Mandating Backdoors

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post #10

The Obama administration has continued flawed policies in many areas, especially those infringing on the 4th Amendment.

A lot of these policies continue because they're considered optimal/necessary by the layer of thinktanks and technocrats that feed Washington its data. I doubt any administration could change them, no matter what was said on their campaign trail.

The president can change many things. They choose not to because there is a cost. Of course, checks and balances with legislators and the courts, but the executive branch has tremendous leeway in executive policy and action. Obama could order the NSA to stop tapping domestic fiber and they would. He chooses not to because he doesn't want the Washinton insiders to attack him. This is our country, not the career politicians. It's not a cliche, it's true. Those of us who are voting citizens should realize that politics need not be a Hegelian compromise, elect people that affect positive change, and punish and vote out those that don't.
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