18F launches cloud.gov • Hacker News Board

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 3:48 PM UTC

plonh wrote: post #6

This is cool, but,...18F are consultants, who pop in, wave a magic wand, and pop out. Many of its employees are.bound by law to a max 2 or 4 year term. Will cloud.gov support its users for 5, 10, 15 years?

18F are _not_ consultants. They're federal employees with a term limit who are domain experts.

EDIT: See sailfast's comment below. I think we're quibbling over semantics.

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by chipgap98 » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 3:49 PM UTC

That gif is really stressing me out for some reason

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by zcdziura » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 3:51 PM UTC

chipgap98 wrote: post #12

That gif is really stressing me out for some reason

Building and launching things (including warships) is a stressful process.

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by toomuchtodo » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 3:56 PM UTC

chipgap98 wrote: post #12

That gif is really stressing me out for some reason

You should see what happened behind the ship.

http://i1.wp.com/gcaptain.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/ku-...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qx1EDAypi7g

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by eonw » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 3:58 PM UTC

I think 18F is a great idea and seems to be doing good things, but are there not existing options they can use? Why reinvent the wheel?

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by wpears » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 3:59 PM UTC

The video at the "byzantine regulatory framework" link[1] is worth a watch (at least the first 10 minutes to get a taste). One of the most valuable offerings of cloud.gov is (hopefully) the ease with which it can go through the ATO and FISMA processes because it was designed with them in mind.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1S52B1-NT4

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by bshimmin » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 4:00 PM UTC

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #3

jstanley wrote: post #2

For those who don't know: "18F is a digital services agency built on the lean startup model based within the United States federal government." (wikipedia)

Which is named after their physical location in Washington DC, 18th and F Street.

Oh, thank you. I was desperately trying to work out if this was a "A16Z" (Andreessen Horowitz) thing...

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by azernik » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 4:02 PM UTC

plonh wrote: post #6

This is cool, but,...18F are consultants, who pop in, wave a magic wand, and pop out. Many of its employees are.bound by law to a max 2 or 4 year term. Will cloud.gov support its users for 5, 10, 15 years?

They will maintain it like any company does - hand off support for existing products as employees leave.

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by bcjordan » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 4:07 PM UTC

eonw wrote: post #15

I think 18F is a great idea and seems to be doing good things, but are there not existing options they can use? Why reinvent the wheel?

The cloud.gov platform is built on top of existing tooling and platforms (Docker, Cloud Foundry, AWS). It's possible recommendations and documentation for quickly deploying sites and services using these platforms is lacking, or changes too often to be provided as a supported, recommended solution to a large set of small teams.

Re: 18F launches cloud.gov

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Fri, Oct 09, 2015, 4:07 PM UTC

bshimmin wrote: post #17

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is named after their physical location in Washington DC, 18th and F Street.

Oh, thank you. I was desperately trying to work out if this was a "A16Z" (Andreessen Horowitz) thing...

I spent 15 minutes trying to figure this out the last time they popped up on HN. It's surprising to me how difficult this was to find out. I think it was buried in a FAQ somewhere.