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Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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"Each school’s score is based on its number of publications and citations as well as its global and regional research reputation." Oh lord... one is easy to game, and the other is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

Exactly, so MIT has clearly been ... Oh, wait, you mean you were implying that Tsinghua University was gaming the rankings ... MIT students, in my experience, have been overrated for years.

In my experience, those that bash MIT have been overrated for years.

See? I can use anecdotal evidence to offend swaths of people too.

Re: Chinese University Tops MIT in Engineering Rankings

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To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME.

Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to save face at every occasion and will fabricate anything that can benefit them.

If USA and UK is so bad then why thousands of Chinese are trying to immigrate there ? In Communist regime even if you are good and talented you will become a property of the state and they will use you for their benefit. Do not expect a good quality life but constant abuse for more propaganda and mind control.

No wonder that massive amount of people of Hong Kong are requesting british passports. Because in China you are nothing more than a property of a regime.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He is not claiming one or the other is gaming it, he is saying this is a terrible set of metrics to rank universities with

"Ok, they've outplayed us in our game. Lets call this game terrible and start a different one with new rules!"

See my other comment before attributing malice to my words. As a french, I've never in my life found the rules to be any good as they were biased against us and other non english speaking country (imho).

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To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME. Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to s…

Good then that China is an autocratic capitalist country and not communist.

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To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME. Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to s…

Ahahaha! China is not the Soviet Union. It's a capitalist society like almost anywhere else, and I'm positive that being rich in China rocks (apart from the air pollution).

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To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME. Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to s…

Good then that China is an autocratic capitalist country and not communist.

Yeah autocratic capitalist country my ass. Did you get your pills today ? There is not a true communist state in the world. Not even DPRK. But China after DPRK has the most communist traits. It's ugly regime and if you have never been there or did business with them you have no clue what you are talking about. And that is just the tip of the iceberg.

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To those that believe that US system is rotten and ineffective and think that Chinese are doing something right because they are Chinese I can tell you only one thing. NEVER TRUST A COMMUNIST REGIME. Even if you compare millionaires to millionaires the quality of life in China is far worse than in the USA. Never trust a communist propaganda. Never ever do that. The gov and chinese in general are known for trying to s…

Ahahaha! China is not the Soviet Union. It's a capitalist society like almost anywhere else, and I'm positive that being rich in China rocks (apart from the air pollution).

Then you obviously have no idea what you are talking about. And the air pollution in China is something you can't imagine. The VW scandal is nothing compared to chinese air pollution.

And China is far worse than the former Soviet Union because they have more money and more control. Being lower class in China is far worse than in former states of the soviet union.

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"Each school’s score is based on its number of publications and citations as well as its global and regional research reputation." Oh lord... one is easy to game, and the other is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

That's how all those rankings are done. Some of them are even "worse" in that they only include english language publications, and result with US and UK taking pretty much every spot in the top 50, claiming the rest of europe is terrible. (I'm not saying that US/UK do or don't have the best universities, I'm saying that system of ranking is terrible for so many reasons)

Also, more than that these rankings should weigh much more on the quality of education rather than the research outcome because a large mass of college students are misguided through these rankings. Is it the responsibility of these ranking systems or the students themselves to be more careful? I am not sure. Another way to tackle this is to have different kind of rankings- say, Research rankings, Teaching quality rankings- following more objective metrics rather than opinion based, as arethuza mentioned in his anecdote.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Ok, they've outplayed us in our game. Lets call this game terrible and start a different one with new rules!"

See my other comment before attributing malice to my words. As a french, I've never in my life found the rules to be any good as they were biased against us and other non english speaking country (imho).

Except of course for the "Mines ParisTech : Professional Ranking of World Universities" :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mines_ParisTech_:_Professional...

Which is actually a really interesting ranking. Not based on academic research whatsoever.

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So… Everyone is righty pointing out the uselessness of ranking systems. But, these are also the same kinds of ranking systems that place MIT, Cambridge, Stanford & the rest in the elite. Publication, reputation, etc. It's not about a specific ranking system either. Every ranking uses circular, subjective or self fulfilling measures. These reputations are also very long lived and carry outside of their context. Great research in biology does not really indicate great undergraduate teaching in the humanities.

Universities attract students, funding, press and all the other goodies with their reputations. Students then trade on these reputations. It's a big problem overall, and it doesn't have good feedback loops of the kind which will encourage universities to improve.

Also, the more attention the rankings get, the more they get gamed and corrupted.

Here's the thing, say you are looking for a place to study mechanical engineering, it will be difficult to find the new upstart schools that are doing great work. It's even harder to get employers, parents and colleagues to respect it. That's to say nothing of a course attempting to teach a subject like engineering outside the paradigm of Universities altogether.

It's a pickle.

The world is way too big for us to rely on a vague name recognition & reputation system anymore. It's too dynamic to wait for them to self correct and it's way too thirsty for better ways to train and educate to be without a dynamic system where new approaches and institutions can emerge.

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