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Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#11
They constantly belittle other employees, usually to a coworker after they have left their office, when this employee dislikes work they have done. Anytime someone screws up in the organization that person is an idiot or worse. For someone who is supposed to be a technical leader, they set a poor example for other developers to follow.

Question what this person is saying. Stand up for your coworkers if you think they've done good work and the comments are unreasonable. If your coworker is wrong then he won't able to defend his position, and he'll look ridiculous. If he's right that the work is poor then he'll look stupid for complaining when the developer in question isn't there.

Just make sure there are plenty of other people around, particularly your boss.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#12
Personally, I would escalate, and be ready to leave - this situation is clearly grating on you, and there may be no positive resolution, so it may not be worth fighting here.

On the other end of options, you could grit your teeth and tolerate this further if you don't feel like it's a battle you want to fight.

It's about what you feel is best for you/what you are willing to tolerate. I personally would prepare to leave, as taking verbal abuse often with co-workers is not the type of work environment I want to be in, but that is me.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#13
Over many different work experiences, all over the place, my simple rule is this: if I am thinking about whether or not I should leave? I should leave.

That doesn't always mean that I leave -- only that by the time I'm asking the questions you're asking, it's always been too late. It was time to go a while back and I just didn't want to admit it.

Good luck! I doubt there's some magic sauce or fairy sprinkle dust that will turn a jackass into a flower, but perhaps your experience will be different from mine.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#14
How about just talk to this person directly? It may be more effective to have the conversation about the actions and not the person.

At my current workplace, this kind of "brilliant ahole" is shown the door asap but most workplace cultures encourage (passively or actively) this behavior.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#15
At my current workplace, this also wouldn't fly. Its just not worth it in the long run, especially when your company is small (from a managerial perspective)

That being said, obviously your manager doesn't share this ethos. In the future, this is something you might want to filter for.

If I were you, I would make preparations for the worst and escalate. You don't want to leave, but you need to be willing to and prepared to do so. If you do escalate though, go to your manager. He's clearly aware of it, and ultimately its politically a mistake to go to either HR or your manager's manager, since it'll hurt your relations with your direct manager.

Doing nothing isn't an option in the long term if nothing changes. There's no real point in considering it.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#16
option 4 or 5 .

If it is a big corp ask to be transferred to another position for instance. There is nothing you can do about assholes, other than avoid them, especially if they are fully supported by the hierarchy.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#17
post #7

My advice, to take with appropriate salt: Leave. It's a seller's market for people with your skills right now. There's no guarantee that you'll find a new environment that doesn't have one of these cancer-in-the-locker-room culture killers, but they're not quite as common as you're fearing. It's not just this one employee that's the problem, it's that the bad apple, the manager, and the manager's manager are all knit…

> It's a seller's market for people with your skills right now.

This gets repeated way too often - bordering on the obsessive.

What are OP's skills? Where does he live? Unless I'm missing something obvious, we have no clue about it.

I a vast majority of planet earth, it is not a seller market for developers. It isn't for basically any kind of skill, simply because there are no jobs. Even if we assume OP is from the USA (which is kind of arbitrary), on in a handful of places you can leave your job without a thought and be almost sure you'll land another good one quick enough .

Now, to be honest, you said your advice was to be taken with a grain of salt, but I still think it's worth pointing out the huge assumption - which is basically that OP is living in Northern California, Seattle or New York.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#18
I recently left a company where the CTO was exactly this kind of personality. He's actually an awful programmer but he complains so much about other people's code that management sees him as the authoritative figure. Despite his behavior directly causing a high turnover rate for engineering, the founders have still kept him around because they're brainwashed into his elitist point of view. When you're in a situation like that, you're better off jumping ship. Nothing will improve...

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#19
He needs to feel superior. He is confrontational to prove himself, he needs to "win" to feel he is better than everyone and validate himself.

If you call hiss bullshit he'll probably go into denial (sooner or later). He can also become depressive, or even more aggressive. Those are defense mechanisms. They are triggered in confrontational situations, the "fight or flight" instinct. Men usually fight, women usually flight. Best option is for him to actually feel good about himself, as people "at the top" do not belittle the little people, as it would mean they feel threatened (and, as such, are afraid, meaning they're not as strong as the other).

Best way imho is to be friendly to him, and when he belittles someone, instead of confronting him, you approach tangentially, making him feel he would be even "more superior" if he helped. This way he will be validated by his experience and by his understanding.

For example, "man, you don't need to go that far. I mean, you've [been doing this for a long time]/[studied a lot]/[put a lot of effort], you must have made some mistakes too. And you're [one of the best]/[probably the best]/[an awesome] developer. If you could give us some tips sometimes, II bet we'd become an even greater team. :D"

And obviously, whenever you can, praise stuff his done well and ask for opinions. Can be on conceptual stuff or whatever, just help him feel "validated" for his good points and he will naturally shift to a less confrontative behavior, plus he will focus on the stuff that got people to like him.

He should do therapy btw, but suggesting this will probably make things worse. If nobody can make this work, all the good devs will end up leaving, and the company will be left with people that have no other options... Not a good place to work at, unfortunately.

Re: Ask HN: Dealing with a Toxic Co-Worker

#20
4), and here's why: the manager is already aware of this behaviour and hasn't acted on it. In other words, you're dealing with a toxic _culture_, not a toxic co-worker.

By all means do 5 while you execute on 4, but you're in no position to change the culture of the firm. Go and find a better one. (Context: I've done exactly this.)

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