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Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by angdis »

happyscrappy wrote: post #7

It is hard to dispute that inner city gun violence is drug related, which is probably why they don't mention it.

Indeed, all you have to do is to read up on who's murdering who. Drugs and violence are intimately tied together at least in the USA. The laws are set-up to punish drug offenders based on the quantity of drugs in one's possession. Beyond a certain quantity, the offender crosses a threshold into "distribution" rather than "use"-- and long histories of violent, organized crime is typical for those folks.

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by Jtsummers »

misiti3780 wrote: post #6
beat wrote: post #2

Long, long ago, in a college town far away, I was arrested in my own home, without a warrant, for possession of marijuana. The case was thrown out by a judge due to various evidence problems, stemming from not getting a warrant. There are a limited number of circumstances under which it is legal for police to enter and search a home without a warrant. As my lawyer casually knocked down the others, the prosecutor fina…

im confused - who was outside for 15 minutes ?

The officer(s) before entering GP's home. Based on witnessing things like this and other reports, probably waiting for backup or perhaps authorization (legal or not, perhaps just a nod from a higher-up).

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by dalke »

misiti3780 wrote: post #6
beat wrote: post #2

Long, long ago, in a college town far away, I was arrested in my own home, without a warrant, for possession of marijuana. The case was thrown out by a judge due to various evidence problems, stemming from not getting a warrant. There are a limited number of circumstances under which it is legal for police to enter and search a home without a warrant. As my lawyer casually knocked down the others, the prosecutor fina…

im confused - who was outside for 15 minutes ?

"The cop on the witness stand"

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by seanp2k2 »

nitrogen wrote: post #10
happyscrappy wrote: post #7

It is hard to dispute that inner city gun violence is drug related, which is probably why they don't mention it.

The article quoted national statistics, which would probably include inner cities in those statistics. Also, the question isn't whether guns imply drugs, but whether drugs imply guns. P(A|B) != P(B|A).

I think that the distinction between drug use and black-market drug distribution is important here as well, I.e. If legalizing or decriminalizing certain drugs would lead to less violence.

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by civilian »

qnaal wrote: post #8
mbrutsch wrote: post #5

Sadly, our world-class political system is based entirely upon feelz, with no minimum qualifications for participation.

"Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good." -Thomas Sowell

Said in 1993. Ouch. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Thomas_Sowell#Is_Reality_Optio...

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by rconti »

angdis wrote: post #11
happyscrappy wrote: post #7

It is hard to dispute that inner city gun violence is drug related, which is probably why they don't mention it.

Indeed, all you have to do is to read up on who's murdering who. Drugs and violence are intimately tied together at least in the USA. The laws are set-up to punish drug offenders based on the quantity of drugs in one's possession. Beyond a certain quantity, the offender crosses a threshold into "distribution" rather than "use"-- and long histories of violent, organized crime is typical for those folks.

I recommend reading the article.

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by verbin217 »

qnaal wrote: post #8
mbrutsch wrote: post #5

Sadly, our world-class political system is based entirely upon feelz, with no minimum qualifications for participation.

"Much of the social history of the Western world over the past three decades has involved replacing what worked with what sounded good." -Thomas Sowell

Tradition isn't the solution.

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by happyscrappy »

seanp2k2 wrote: post #15
nitrogen wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The article quoted national statistics, which would probably include inner cities in those statistics. Also, the question isn't whether guns imply drugs, but whether drugs imply guns. P(A|B) != P(B|A).

I think that the distinction between drug use and black-market drug distribution is important here as well, I.e. If legalizing or decriminalizing certain drugs would lead to less violence.

Yes this is dealers fighting for territory not users shooting each other.

Re: The Drug-Violence Myth

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Post by gress »

qnaal wrote: post #12
happyscrappy wrote: post #7

It is hard to dispute that inner city gun violence is drug related, which is probably why they don't mention it.

perhaps one could alternatively say the violence is black market related

The police use violence to protect the regular market. One could just as easily say that violence is market related.
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