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L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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post #3

House prices rise because an area is prospering. Those with no investment in the area are forced to move to an area they can afford. Such is life for all of us.

> are forced to move to an area they can afford

And what about the people who can't afford to move in the first place?

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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I remember reading something about how one of the biggest hurdles of tackling homelessness is dealing with those who were made homeless through a history of mental illness. If someone suffers homelessness due to mental illness, I'm sure that chucking them in with a bunch of other homeless people in a shared home isn't going to fix the problem, so it'll be interesting to see how these people will be treated.

$100m isn't really a lot, but if that money can be offered to help people that need more than money and a roof over their head, it could do some genuine good.

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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post #7

Why exactly homelessness is a problem?

Homelessness and people being vulnerably housed are useful indicators of poor availability of mental health treatment; of poor availability of drug and alcohol treatment; of a lack of rehabilitation in criminal justice; of predatory and aggressive debt chasing; etc.

There's a lot of misinformation and stigma around people who are vulnerably housed (often along the lines of "they did it themselves") so by by creating a culture that helps homeless people you're helping a potential future-you.

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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post #7

Why exactly homelessness is a problem?

There are two sorts of wealth - private wealth and public wealth. Private wealth is your nice house, your fancy car, your money in the bank. Having lots of private wealth is great and it means you lead a comfortable life. Public wealth is the society you live in. It's the quality of the roads you drive on, the cleanliness of the streets, the safety you feel walking around a city.

To be happy you need both kinds of wealth. If you live in a big, expensive house and you drive a Ferrari, but there are parts of the city you live in where you don't want to go, then you aren't living a rich, full life. There'll be a constant reminder of how there are people worse off than you, and that will make you feel awful.

People who are homeless effectively make everyone worse off. Helping to fix their problems makes your own life better.

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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post #6

San Francisco should do something too. I'd love pay an extra tax to fund solutions to this massive problem.

I donate to people, but is forcing (violently if necessary) other people to do the same ethical? Aren't there better ways?

No. This libertarian idea that people would give more if they weren't taxed is utter bullshit. As is the idea that every human is an island. We're all in this together.

The charities people give to? For the most part, it's acute and visible charities. Very few people give to the same charity again and again, over the course of decades. People also give to attractive charities - kids with terminal diseases is a much easier charity to raise money for than mental health in young adults. Same with animals - people care about cruelty to dogs, but they don't care about cruelty to voles. And while you haven't said it, another libertarian refrain is that people would donate more than they get taxed, which is obvious nonsense, because nothing is stopping them from disposing of that extra money.

Anyway, if you don't want "violent" (stupid bloody redefining, that) taxes, then move to Vanuatu. It has good weather, happy people, a small government, and the army is so small it's also the police force (fewer than a thousand people). There's no income tax. Of course, there's little comparable in the way of infrastructure or services, but you'll get to live the libertarian dream of hiring your own garbage collector instead of having one violently forced on you by the incompetant apparatus of the overbearing state.

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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post #9
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I donate to people, but is forcing (violently if necessary) other people to do the same ethical? Aren't there better ways?

> .. is forcing [...] ethical? In a democracy taxes would be considered ethical, by most. Even for redistribution. > Aren't there better ways? There could be. Do you know any? Use your vote.

There's not much to be changed, just make donations voluntary. People are better off deciding where to spend their money. Politicians can ask for it, and spend what they get. Obviously (judging from approval ratings) they will need to make more articulate arguments. Resources would be better spent.

Re: L.A. to declare 'state of emergency' on homelessness

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post #2

I'm really glad to see this issue on the front page. I live in downtown LA and I'm on the front lines of this epidemic. It does seem like the situation is getting worse. I wonder if technology can somehow play a role here. I would gladly fund some of the "regulars" around here via some type of Watsi-esque solution.

I wonder if technology can somehow play a role here. I would gladly fund some of the "regulars" around here via some type of Watsi-esque solution.

That's what HandUp (https://handup.org/) is doing.

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