Live data from Hacker News

Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

nytimes.com

11–20 of 79 posts

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#14
post #3

This is a good move and will help the US and its allies balance China.

What are the actual Japanese military capabilities?

Japan still has the strongest navy in East Asia, though China will surpass them soon. Don't be fooled because they call it a maritime self defense force.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#15
I was thinking about this just the other day and looking back at the past 20 years, the small but persistent efforts by Japanese government to provoke neighbors by claiming isles as their own or pissing off WW2 victims by saying they were prostitutes and not sex slaves employed by the Japanese Army, has finally paid off.

All those years pissing off many Koreans, Chinese, Taiwanese appears to have been a very carefully concocted foreign policy with the goal of aggravating action from a large military power to bring tension in the region and thus receiving the attention of the US. With the backdrop of China's unprecedented growth and military expansion, this turned out remarkly well for Japan.

I often look at outcomes of today for Japan and their past diplomacy in East Asia, specifically designed to create tension and worry America enough to let the dog from the leash.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#16
post #6

This, incidentally, was partly a "gift" from Obama to Abe in order to get him on board with the TPP: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/obama-bribes-abe-supp... It just goes to show just how desperate Obama is to get the TPP signed and the depths to which he'll sink. First tacit approval of slavery in Malaysia and now state department approval of Japanese re-militarization. All for a trade agreement that grants c…

That analysis is pathetically bad. I'm no fan of the TPP, but one shouldn't view every single thing that happens through that lens. There's a number of things going on here: 1) The South China sea dispute is getting more and more dangerous. Japan wants flexibility in making alliances to counterbalance China in that area. 2) This give Japan the ability to deploy troops (or more likely aircraft) to the Middle East in s…

It's hard to know what's real and what's not real with TPP, since we don't know what's in it.

Having said that, I agree with your analysis. This move is necessary for Japan to enter into regional security agreements - other countries aren't going to enter into a mutual defense pact with Japan if it can't assist in their defense when they're attacked.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#17
post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That analysis is pathetically bad. I'm no fan of the TPP, but one shouldn't view every single thing that happens through that lens. There's a number of things going on here: 1) The South China sea dispute is getting more and more dangerous. Japan wants flexibility in making alliances to counterbalance China in that area. 2) This give Japan the ability to deploy troops (or more likely aircraft) to the Middle East in s…

>one shouldn't view every single thing that happens through that lens. It doesn't. Abe went from being very cool on the TPP to coming out in favor (at least in public) almost overnight an the only thing that changed in that period in US-Japan relations was the US state department giving Japan approval to re-militarize. There were virtually no changes to the deal. Ironically the deal might still fail (which Abe probab…

>Abe went from being very cool on the TPP to coming out in favor (at least in public) almost overnight an the only thing that changed in that period in US-Japan relations was the US state department giving Japan approval to re-militarize. There were virtually no changes to the deal.

Abe has been pushing for constitutional changes since he returned to the PM's office, and the US has been supportive all along since it means we'll be putting fewer resources into guaranteeing Japan's defense.

This has been in the cards since before TPP even existed.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#18
post #5
post #3

This is a good move and will help the US and its allies balance China.

It could also very easily spin out of control and increase instability in Asia.

Both of the above are true. China is getting more aggressive about control of the oceans near, and not so near, China. China has a territorial dispute with Japan over the islands south of Kyushu and northeast of Taiwan. China is also claiming some islands further south, in the South China Sea, but that disagreement is with Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam.

China's military parade last week was very anti-Japan. Of course, Japan did invade China during WWII. That's not being forgotten by the current leaders of China. China made a big point of their land-based anti-ship missiles, which were featured prominently in the parade.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#19
post #18
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It could also very easily spin out of control and increase instability in Asia.

Both of the above are true. China is getting more aggressive about control of the oceans near, and not so near, China. China has a territorial dispute with Japan over the islands south of Kyushu and northeast of Taiwan. China is also claiming some islands further south, in the South China Sea, but that disagreement is with Brunei, Malaysia, the Philippines, Taiwan, and Vietnam. China's military parade last week was v…

i wonder if there is any significance they chose september 18th to re-militarize overseas action, being thats the date japan invaded china in 1931.

all else aside on the territorial disputes, i feel abe and his associates continually look past their genocides and atrocities in WWII, continually going to war memorials and celebrations of these same japanese that attacked US and committed the acts during WWII.

so china leaders definitely have a reason to hold a grudge and not forget.

Re: Japan’s Parliament Approves Overseas Combat Role for Military

#20
post #6

This, incidentally, was partly a "gift" from Obama to Abe in order to get him on board with the TPP: http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2015/05/obama-bribes-abe-supp... It just goes to show just how desperate Obama is to get the TPP signed and the depths to which he'll sink. First tacit approval of slavery in Malaysia and now state department approval of Japanese re-militarization. All for a trade agreement that grants c…

That analysis is pathetically bad. I'm no fan of the TPP, but one shouldn't view every single thing that happens through that lens. There's a number of things going on here: 1) The South China sea dispute is getting more and more dangerous. Japan wants flexibility in making alliances to counterbalance China in that area. 2) This give Japan the ability to deploy troops (or more likely aircraft) to the Middle East in s…

If Japan takes action against North Korea the South will bomb Tokyo to the oblivion.

South Korea will not permit anyone and especially Japan to touch anything that belongs to Koreans. Koreans living in the NK are still citizens of SK and the land is claimed by SK.

Yes if there is conflict on the seas or in the air with the NK forces then SK will do nothing to stop the Japan.

What Japan did today/yesterday just pushed SK to be more assertive towards Japan. It hopefully speeds up the reunification.

DISCLAIMER: I am not korean.

Post reply on HN