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It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

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Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

#11

This title (titled "Venmo Sammers" as of this comment) should be edited back to the original.

We shortened it because of the linkbait "you", or rather the even-more-linkbait "you don't". Take that out and you get "Venmo Scammers Know Something", which is redundant. Take out the redundancy and you get "Venmo Scammers".

Suggestions for a better title are welcome, as always, but don't forget that HN's rule is to use the original title unless it is misleading or linkbait.(https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html)

Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

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What I find interesting is that I don't know anyone here in Australia that uses these payment platforms. I wonder if that's because bank-to-bank transfers are so quick and easy these days? Most of the big banks even have ways of sending _cash_ to other people, to withdraw from any of that bank's ATMs with a code and no card. Anyway, the issue Venmo has here is similar to what banks also have to deal with: in theory y…

> I wonder if that's because bank-to-bank transfers are so quick and easy these days?

APCA (Australian Payments Clearing Association) has been working on making real-time payments accessible for a while [1].

[1] http://www.apca.com.au/about-payments/future-of-payments/rea...

Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

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Not sure I know enough to call Venmo unethical in their behavior. But there's definitely more than a few red flags here.

Well if you claim that something is a) instant and b) has already happened when it hasn't - you are knowingly deceiving your customers to make it look like you provide a service you really do not.

Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

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If I understood correctly, the whole damn scam is only possible because this Venmo's terms of service prohibit something called "merchant transactions" and allow for reversing or cancelling transfers if they deem or someone reports a payment to fall in "merchant" category?

If so, then the problem is only a completely artificial one and made of mere policy decisions. Venmo could just act as a blind intermediary, no questions asked, completing any transactions once both parties have verified their intention to transfer money.

That's generally how banks work for at least any reasonable sums of money: I can send or receive thousands of euros to whoever and from whoever without worrying that the transfers might be cancelled by some vague policy. With tens of thousands, I'd have to ask my bank to lift the daily transfer cap beforehand, but still no questions asked. I assume that it goes in a relatively similar way in the USA.

Thus, any mobile money transfer service ought to be at least as trustworthy as that. There needs to be a point where the transaction is either complete or discarded, after which both parties can trust it. The service also shouldn't discriminate, it shouldn't matter if it's a private transfer or a merchant transfer. If they want the money they could sell transaction history imports for bookkeeping at a higher price to merchants or something.

Venmo could still do their instant transfer magic and add value there, but them considering whether a transfer is ok or not is akin to an internet service provider who would want to consider which web pages I can view before letting me download them.

Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

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post #11

This title (titled "Venmo Sammers" as of this comment) should be edited back to the original.

We shortened it because of the linkbait "you", or rather the even-more-linkbait "you don't". Take that out and you get "Venmo Scammers Know Something", which is redundant. Take out the redundancy and you get "Venmo Scammers". Suggestions for a better title are welcome, as always, but don't forget that HN's rule is to use the original title unless it is misleading or linkbait .( https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidel…

Their original title was "It's Shockingly Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo" (it still pops up on google like that) but it seems they've decided 'shockingly' alone is not baity enough. But it's a decent title without it. The article is not so much about Venmo scammers but about how easy it is to get scammed on Venmo and how Venmo isn't going to help you.

Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

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I'm curious if the folk who got scammed w/the e-ticket sales could have waited until the funds are literally in their bank account before they emailed them the tickets. Surely, it is a helluva lot easier to reverse some Venmo balance than it is for Venmo to pull money out of your bank account, so that they can refund a scammer.

I've never touched Venmo and now after this, never will touch Venmo and will make sure everyone who suggests it, read this prior to using it.

Re: It’s Easy to Get Scammed on Venmo

#20
Silicon Valley egos at their finest: "Use our product so we can make billions of dollars, but fuck you otherwise." I use venmo with friends because of their network effect and it's convenient, but it sounds like internally they're a pretty shitty company to deal with.
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