Filled in February 2015 and ruled in September 2015? Russian justice is very fast, and the results are really shocking and surprising
Google Found Guilty of ‘Abusing Dominant Market Position’ in Russia
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#12And how much has 'Yandex', whatever that is, contributed to Android? Android exists and is relatively free (as in beer and speech) because it drives traffic to Google. If you don't like it, write your own mobile operating system from scratch (good luck).
Edit: actually, they'd only need their own app store if I understand the terms correctly.
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#13GNU Emacs also abuses its dominant position in the editor market by shipping all this bundled Lisp code. Over twenty years ago I was a making killing, hand over fist, selling a Usenet news reading add-on for Emacs. Then those anti-trust bastards included some Lisp code which does that, and I went down the tubes. I mean, what gave them the right , you know? It's as if not only did they disrespect my sense of entitleme…
I'm assuming this is a sarcastic post.
It's an interesting thought experiment to extrapolate antitrust ideas onto free software.
If Linux grew big enough could it attract antitrust lawsuits despite not being the product of any single company?
My first impression was to draw the line at organizations that make money, but that leaves the possibility for free software growing so big as to hinder progress, which isn't necessarily beneficial for the community either.
Discuss(?)
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#14The crux of the article: Google said in February that device makers “are free to install the apps they choose, and consumers always have complete control over the apps on their devices.” Several device manufacturers that pre-install Yandex apps notified the company in 2014 that they were “no longer able to pre-install Yandex services,” such as Yandex’s search and map apps on Google’s Android devices, prompting Yandex…
basically deja vu of MS vs. Netscape and other independent software providers of 199x. For the last decade Google was basically replaying the MS scenario.
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#15Whatever suspicions I have about the process by which this decision was made, it seems in principle like a sane ruling that'll improve the openness of the Android platform.
Re: Google Found Guilty of ‘Abusing Dominant Market Position’ in Russia
#16And how much has 'Yandex', whatever that is, contributed to Android? Android exists and is relatively free (as in beer and speech) because it drives traffic to Google. If you don't like it, write your own mobile operating system from scratch (good luck). Edit: actually, they'd only need their own app store if I understand the terms correctly.
Despite being open source, Google does not really accept submissions of code from third parties. Yandex does in fact have their own app store, but many apps are only published on the Google Play Store.
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#17Filled in February 2015 and ruled in September 2015? Russian justice is very fast, and the results are really shocking and surprising
the main theme in Russia today is "replacing of imported goods and services with domestic ones". The strategy consists of 3 stages:
1. prohibit, bash, etc... foreign goods and services
2. ...
3. enjoy quality replacement by domestic manufacturers and providers.
right now the stage 1 is at full swing.
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#18The crux of the article: Google said in February that device makers “are free to install the apps they choose, and consumers always have complete control over the apps on their devices.” Several device manufacturers that pre-install Yandex apps notified the company in 2014 that they were “no longer able to pre-install Yandex services,” such as Yandex’s search and map apps on Google’s Android devices, prompting Yandex…
Sounds like some monopolization to me. Google can't be trusted to tell the truth here anymore than the US govt can be trusted to tell the truth about spying. There is absolutely zero incentive to admit to wrongdoing. My only question is why can't we go after Microsoft for locking down hardware in the same way.
> My only question is why can't we go after Microsoft for locking down hardware in the same way.
Microsoft's hardware (e.g. Surface Pro) is less locked down than the competition's version of the same (e.g. iPad). Why must ever topic devolve into Microsoft bashing?
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#19Let's see Yandex can indeed fork Android and deliver a device in Russia without Google apps..what anitrust issue here?
Maybe Yandex anticompetitive desires?
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#20Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds like some monopolization to me. Google can't be trusted to tell the truth here anymore than the US govt can be trusted to tell the truth about spying. There is absolutely zero incentive to admit to wrongdoing. My only question is why can't we go after Microsoft for locking down hardware in the same way.
> My only question is why can't we go after Microsoft for locking down hardware in the same way. Microsoft's hardware (e.g. Surface Pro) is less locked down than the competition's version of the same (e.g. iPad). Why must ever topic devolve into Microsoft bashing?
I should clarify that here I'm not talking about Microsoft's hardware like the Surface. I'm talking about being able to buy a computer from a manufacturer without having to pay $99 for an installation of Microsoft Windows that I explicitly do not want. Some effort was made to stop this practice (of MS paying manufacturers not to offer machines without Windows), but it clearly didn't go very far in solving the problem. Either you're going to pay for a copy of MS Windows, or you're going to build your own machine (or pay about as much as Apple hardware costs from "specialty" hardware retailers). And to answer your question, I bring this up because I find it difficult to point fingers at Google for the same behavior without bringing up an example of a company that is flatly getting away with murder.