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Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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Completely different situation. Muni can't just stop a route if it's not profitable.

It does not help that some of their maintenance staff is on 200K/y salary. Last time I have checked their wages it was pretty obvious that some of the staff is overpaid greatly. I also know some anecdotal stories about how employees exploiting the company.

Wow, with wages like those they might actually be able to afford to live in the city they work in!

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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Anecdotally, at least, I see a lot of people riding Muni who are fare evading. I've also never seen any fare enforcement on a Muni bus, despite living here for ~6 years.

You must have never done anything like -say- use the 38 to connect to CalTrain shortly before or shortly after rush hour. :) I made the 38->30/45->CalTrain or 47->CalTrain ride every single day for nearly a year. It seemed like once a month or once every other month, MTA fare inspectors would board the 38, 47, or -far more rarely- 30/45 I was riding and check everyone's proof of payment. On the 38 and the 47, it alwa…

I mostly take the 7 (nee 71), 6, and 21.

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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> ...when I ride the MUNI I'm the only person actually paying a fare... By this, do you mean "I'm the only one who seems to be paying in cash?". If you do, then the vast majority of folks who aren't fare-jumping are either: * Using a Clipper Card [0] that has a "cash" balance * Using a Clipper Card that has a monthly pass on it * Using a Clipper Card that has a transfer from another bus on it * Using a paper transfer…

Anecdotally, at least, I see a lot of people riding Muni who are fare evading. I've also never seen any fare enforcement on a Muni bus, despite living here for ~6 years.

I have a monthly pass and can't always be bothered to swipe my ClipperCard. It would look to you like I'm fare evading, but I'm not really. Perhaps others are doing the same.

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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It's interesting that Chariot can sell a bus ride for barely more than the (heavily subsidised) MUNI costs. In my limited experience though, it seems that when I ride the MUNI I'm the only person actually paying a fare. Everybody else either has some kind of pass or is fare evading.

When it was started it also was not wheelchair accessible. Not sure if this is still the case. Cherry picking profitable routes is not the same as providing access to all residents of the city.

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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It does not help that some of their maintenance staff is on 200K/y salary. Last time I have checked their wages it was pretty obvious that some of the staff is overpaid greatly. I also know some anecdotal stories about how employees exploiting the company.

Wow, with wages like those they might actually be able to afford to live in the city they work in!

Nobody is entitled to live in the city they work in.

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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Like sharoots in Israel

Or the dolmus in Turkey. Or the equivalent service in many countries.

It always irritated me that American countries don't use the more practical neighborhood-to-neighborhood model to provide more convenient service outside the main lines.

This could also be used to transport people in a hub-and-spoke model throughout the valley, like they do in Istanbul. A combination of Caltrain, BART, and quick-moving busses and vans could more efficiently move people.

The van drivers just couldn't make as much as a bus driver, or the subsidy would have to be bigger. (12 people * 2 dollars = 24 dollars for an hour one-way in rush hour, which is hard to make profitable.)

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Wow, with wages like those they might actually be able to afford to live in the city they work in!

Nobody is entitled to live in the city they work in.

Rights are an arbitrary idea. Simply emphasizing that something is or isn't a right is tantamount to writing a fictional book. Even something as literally life altering as whether your own government (assuming you live in a democracy) can rightfully kill you or not is arbitrarily decided [0].

0: http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/10/former-navy-c...

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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It does not help that some of their maintenance staff is on 200K/y salary. Last time I have checked their wages it was pretty obvious that some of the staff is overpaid greatly. I also know some anecdotal stories about how employees exploiting the company.

Wow, with wages like those they might actually be able to afford to live in the city they work in!

It's neither realistic nor desirable that maintenance workers in San Francisco should live in San Francisco. Any more than the cleaners at the Hilton should live in the Hilton.

San Francisco is a small expensive area within a large metropolis, it's not that tricky to commute from somewhere a lot cheaper.

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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It's interesting that Chariot can sell a bus ride for barely more than the (heavily subsidised) MUNI costs. In my limited experience though, it seems that when I ride the MUNI I'm the only person actually paying a fare. Everybody else either has some kind of pass or is fare evading.

When it was started it also was not wheelchair accessible. Not sure if this is still the case. Cherry picking profitable routes is not the same as providing access to all residents of the city.

So how much of the city's residents' taxes turn out to be just subsidising the tiny minority who need wheelchairs?

Re: Chariot Wins First Round of San Francisco's Private Transit Battle

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As well they should win. If the city bothered to provide proper services, then these alternatives would not be profitable.

But godforbid someone might challenge their monopoly. San Francisco, learn how to compete, don't be chicken and outlaw the competition, despite relying on my and every other citizens taxes... Shame muni.

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