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Re: Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

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Post by derf_ »

Sven7 wrote: post #9
ZeroGravitas wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is aiming to be better than HEVC, because it won't be ready for a couple of years. Assuming the groups listed actually back up their words with action, then hardware support will happen, basically every smart TV shipped already has VP9, so if Google's Youtube and Netflix and Amazon and Microsoft agree on a codec, it'll be in hardware (both in the sense of it being available, and in the sense of it being in every…

Apple's missing but still good news. Dealing with video is like dealing with the toothpaste aisle at the store. Just a ridiculous amount of unnecessary information.

We are absolutely talking with Apple, and hope they will decide to join.

Re: Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

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Post by dogma1138 »

jmvalin wrote: post #8
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #6

It's definitely cool if we get to a point where Microsoft, Mozilla, and Google aren't each pushing their own video codec in their respective browsers. If this ends that, I'm all for it. Though as long as it isn't proprietary and DRM'd to crud, you won't see any support from Hollywood.

Well, DRM is completely independent from the codec. You can put DRM on a free codec and you can have a non-free codec without DRM. As for Hollywood... note that the Alliance also includes Netflix.

DRM has to be kinda an integral part of the Codec in order for it to work efficiently especially with streaming any other type of DRM will not be really viable since it will either require you to get the entire file or to chop the video into smaller blocks.

DRM for the most part is encryption and if you want to have it with all the vector voodoo of video compression it has to be built in.

That said today there is no way in hell to make a codec without DRM and expect it to have wide support, lack of DRM is actually killing more projects (like various open source streamers) than outrage of the free software community will ever be able too.

An open codec is only viable if it's worth to be picked by the big players and those are the big media and content providers who won't pick up a penny if it didn't had DRM support...

Re: Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

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Post by spankalee »

Edit: Looks like I was mistaken. See: http://aomedia.org/

It's important to note that this isn't a project to create a new codec. It's an organization to share the legal infrastructure for things like patent analysis and licensing agreements.

The Joint Development Foundation's website is not even video-specific, but invites any project to join operate under their legal umbrella.

http://www.jointdevelopment.org/

Re: Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

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Post by ZeroGravitas »

spankalee wrote: post #14

Edit: Looks like I was mistaken. See: http://aomedia.org/ It's important to note that this isn't a project to create a new codec. It's an organization to share the legal infrastructure for things like patent analysis and licensing agreements. The Joint Development Foundation's website is not even video-specific, but invites any project to join operate under their legal umbrella. http://www.jointdevelopment.org/

> It's important to note that this isn't a project to create a new codec.

Are you sure?

The alliance website says "The Open and royalty-free format for next-generation ultra high definition media" and their top news item is "Alliance for Open Media Established to Deliver Next-Generation Open Media Formats".

Re: Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

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Post by aidenn0 »

dogma1138 wrote: post #12
jmvalin wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, DRM is completely independent from the codec. You can put DRM on a free codec and you can have a non-free codec without DRM. As for Hollywood... note that the Alliance also includes Netflix.

DRM has to be kinda an integral part of the Codec in order for it to work efficiently especially with streaming any other type of DRM will not be really viable since it will either require you to get the entire file or to chop the video into smaller blocks. DRM for the most part is encryption and if you want to have it with all the vector voodoo of video compression it has to be built in. That said today there is no…

Name one codec with specific support for DRM built into the compression.

Re: Forging an Alliance for Royalty-Free Video

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Post by spankalee »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #16
spankalee wrote: post #14

Edit: Looks like I was mistaken. See: http://aomedia.org/ It's important to note that this isn't a project to create a new codec. It's an organization to share the legal infrastructure for things like patent analysis and licensing agreements. The Joint Development Foundation's website is not even video-specific, but invites any project to join operate under their legal umbrella. http://www.jointdevelopment.org/

> It's important to note that this isn't a project to create a new codec. Are you sure? The alliance website says "The Open and royalty-free format for next-generation ultra high definition media" and their top news item is "Alliance for Open Media Established to Deliver Next-Generation Open Media Formats".

Oh, good point. I jumped right to the Joint Development Foundation part. Oops!
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