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Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by larsiusprime »

tetraodonpuffer wrote: post #10
larsiusprime wrote: post #4

If we want to speed up the demise of flash, there are several roots that need to be whacked simultaneously: 1. Tons of existing flash content people want to access 2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative The first one is a thorny problem and is somewhat solved by things like Shumway but still needs more work. As for the second, things like Unity and HTML5 have not covered all of flash dev's use cases, so…

in terms of use-cases, what about DRM for things like rdio / spotify / ...? what will be the alternative for that?

In the short term, OpenFL lets you export as flash, so you can use the existing solutions for now, and in the long term, you can build whatever else you need into your native or HTML5 solution. So as soon as these features come online in HTML5 or Native, you can just switch over without having to rewrite your codebase.

TiVo is already using Haxe/OpenFL in their set top boxes and I'm sure they've worked out some video streaming solution:

https://t.co/EbUwkJRJC6

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by madsohm »

sp332 wrote: post #8

You know Flash is dead when Homestar Runner says it's dead! http://www.homestarrunner.com/flashisdead.html For those who don't know, this site was a legit phenomenon in the early 2000's, and it has always been 100% flash-based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner

The "flashisdead" page requires Flash, but I guess that's the joke?

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by sp332 »

madsohm wrote: post #12
sp332 wrote: post #8

You know Flash is dead when Homestar Runner says it's dead! http://www.homestarrunner.com/flashisdead.html For those who don't know, this site was a legit phenomenon in the early 2000's, and it has always been 100% flash-based. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homestar_Runner

The "flashisdead" page requires Flash, but I guess that's the joke?

Definitely. Nothing on the site has been updated to non-flash (yet?).

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by superskierpat »

larsiusprime wrote: post #4

If we want to speed up the demise of flash, there are several roots that need to be whacked simultaneously: 1. Tons of existing flash content people want to access 2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative The first one is a thorny problem and is somewhat solved by things like Shumway but still needs more work. As for the second, things like Unity and HTML5 have not covered all of flash dev's use cases, so…

I've successfully used haxe + openfl in a school project and I'm happy to say I got 100%. There are a few issues with the project but those are due to the project being my first video game.

https://github.com/Superpat/projetFlash

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by melling »

larsiusprime wrote: post #4

If we want to speed up the demise of flash, there are several roots that need to be whacked simultaneously: 1. Tons of existing flash content people want to access 2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative The first one is a thorny problem and is somewhat solved by things like Shumway but still needs more work. As for the second, things like Unity and HTML5 have not covered all of flash dev's use cases, so…

"2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative"

Developers need to follow the market. The market doesn't follow us. Otherwise, you're stuck working on legacy projects.

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by zeveb »

I'm actually a bit conflicted about this. The nice thing about Flash-based media is that one can disable JavaScript (thus increasing one's privacy) and then enable Flash only to view a particular video (e.g. on Amazon Play); with JavaScript and HTML5, one generally has to enable JavaScript for the entire domain rather than a single video on a single page.

Why would one want to disable JavaScript in the first place? Privacy & security: why enable a site to execute random code on one's own machine when all one wants to do is read some content?

Re: Amazon joins in on killing Flash, stops accepting Flash ads

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Post by larsiusprime »

melling wrote: post #18
larsiusprime wrote: post #4

If we want to speed up the demise of flash, there are several roots that need to be whacked simultaneously: 1. Tons of existing flash content people want to access 2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative The first one is a thorny problem and is somewhat solved by things like Shumway but still needs more work. As for the second, things like Unity and HTML5 have not covered all of flash dev's use cases, so…

"2. Give current flash devs a reasonable alternative" Developers need to follow the market. The market doesn't follow us. Otherwise, you're stuck working on legacy projects.

Perhaps I should have worded it better.

The market is the people who hire those devs (ie, bank websites, video streaming sites, etc, etc, etc) and they are currently saying: "we still need flash for some things, so we're not ready to kill flash just yet."

Give THEM a reasonable alternative, and flash will go away.

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