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Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by mrschwabe »

Turing_Machine wrote: post #7
userbinator wrote: post #5

Does this reactor have better safeguards and protection than the ones at Fukushima? I think that's the most important point to consider here.

"Better safeguards"? 9.0 earthquake. Tsunami. Fire. Complete loss of power to all control systems. Still didn't kill anybody. Just how safe do you expect something to be? By comparison the earthquake and tsunami killed over 18,000 people.

By didn't kill anyone you must have been referring to "that day" right? Because just last week another worker at Fukushima died.

https://news.vice.com/article/worker-dies-at-disabled-fukush...

And then how many people in the broader public have died or are dying now from the cancerous radioactive isotopes that this thing has leaked out?

How safe do we expect them to be: 99.9% safe, and if they can't guarantee that - they shouldn't be turning them back on.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by sp332 »

mistermann wrote: post #9
Turing_Machine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Better safeguards"? 9.0 earthquake. Tsunami. Fire. Complete loss of power to all control systems. Still didn't kill anybody. Just how safe do you expect something to be? By comparison the earthquake and tsunami killed over 18,000 people.

> Just how safe do you expect something to be? Personally, I expect someone to have at least the foresight to put the backup generators on a platform.

There was a backup generator. It ran out of fuel before they could get more through the tsunami debris.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by sp332 »

userbinator wrote: post #5

Does this reactor have better safeguards and protection than the ones at Fukushima? I think that's the most important point to consider here.

I don't think it's about physical safeguards. It's about TEPCO's history of falsifying safety records and not communicating during a disaster.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by Turing_Machine »

mrschwabe wrote: post #11
Turing_Machine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Better safeguards"? 9.0 earthquake. Tsunami. Fire. Complete loss of power to all control systems. Still didn't kill anybody. Just how safe do you expect something to be? By comparison the earthquake and tsunami killed over 18,000 people.

By didn't kill anyone you must have been referring to "that day" right? Because just last week another worker at Fukushima died. https://news.vice.com/article/worker-dies-at-disabled-fukush... And then how many people in the broader public have died or are dying now from the cancerous radioactive isotopes that this thing has leaked out? How safe do we expect them to be: 99.9% safe, and if they can't guarantee that -…

"It is not yet known whether the man's death was due to radiation exposure."

Hint: it wasn't. Radiation exposure can cause cancer, certainly. It doesn't cause sudden unexplained death years later, as happened with this fellow.

"And then how many people in the broader public have died or are dying now from the cancerous radioactive isotopes"

If you have a hard number, share it with us. Be sure to account for the fact that coal plants put more radioisotopes into the atmosphere than nuclear plants, per unit of energy generated.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by sliverstorm »

mrschwabe wrote: post #6
owen_griffiths wrote: post #4

Japan's CO2 emissions are up 11% relative to 1990, when they are supposedly planning to go down 21% by 2030. “They’re aware that Japan has fared perfectly well without nuclear power for almost two years.” is not really accurate CO2 into account.

Which would you prefer floating in our air, CO2 (that plants breathe) or invisible, cancer-causing radioactive particles?

Ironically coal plants release invisible, cancer-causing radioactive particles into the air, and nuclear plants generally don't.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by jpatokal »

Too late: the reactor has been restarted.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/aug/11/japan-res...

Note that the "Sendai" here is the small town of Satsumasendai in Kagoshima prefecture, Kyushu; not the big city of Sendai north of Tokyo.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by brc »

mrschwabe wrote: post #11
Turing_Machine wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Better safeguards"? 9.0 earthquake. Tsunami. Fire. Complete loss of power to all control systems. Still didn't kill anybody. Just how safe do you expect something to be? By comparison the earthquake and tsunami killed over 18,000 people.

By didn't kill anyone you must have been referring to "that day" right? Because just last week another worker at Fukushima died. https://news.vice.com/article/worker-dies-at-disabled-fukush... And then how many people in the broader public have died or are dying now from the cancerous radioactive isotopes that this thing has leaked out? How safe do we expect them to be: 99.9% safe, and if they can't guarantee that -…

Given the age of the plant and the safety record over that time, it's proven itself safe enough.

I used to labor under anti-nuclear hysteria. How could I not? It was fed to me via popular culture and media for years.

Funny thing though - all power sources are dangerous - and nuclear actually comes out rather well in comparison.

How many coal miners have died since the Japanese reactors were switched off? How much airborne pollution has been released?

Just remember, despite an out-of-design-bounds natural disaster, the plant remained safe and continues to do so. It's not a great place to be, sure, but it isn't a lethal incident.

Re: Japan split over restart of first nuclear reactor since Fukushima disaster

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Post by naturalethic »

mrschwabe wrote: post #6
owen_griffiths wrote: post #4

Japan's CO2 emissions are up 11% relative to 1990, when they are supposedly planning to go down 21% by 2030. “They’re aware that Japan has fared perfectly well without nuclear power for almost two years.” is not really accurate CO2 into account.

Which would you prefer floating in our air, CO2 (that plants breathe) or invisible, cancer-causing radioactive particles?

Your comment is becoming invisible because you are a denier. Suck it contrarian.
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