The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by berberich » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 2:14 PM UTC

The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem
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Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by platz » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:39 PM UTC

previous: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7987113

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by jerven » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:39 PM UTC

Instead of re implementing could something like ikvm work for their users/usecases?

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by cbsmith » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:39 PM UTC

Alternate title: "It's hard to build a church on top of a native american burial ground."

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by sremani » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:42 PM UTC

The level intellectual laziness is immense. Most of the developers, me included look at Microsoft for guidance than embracing hard problems and solving it for ourselves. This does not mean .net is filled with incompetent programmers but it is full of "unless you pay" programmers.

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by bigdubs » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:43 PM UTC

The OSS "weaknesses" of .net are a chicken and an egg problem; the more people who come from a community software background that use a framework, the more community software there will be for that framework.

Having what reads as a very angry and negative blogpost about the state of .net oss isn't really helping.

Contributing software is though, and that really should have been the focus of the post, not how weak and terrible .net oss is.

Be the change you seek.

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Post by mshenfield » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:43 PM UTC

TLDR: .NET developers need to start tackling bigger problems and open source the solutions.

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by hokkos » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:44 PM UTC

The fact that until recently .Net only run correctly on windows where the licensing is more expansive than linux, and that all the big player use linux to develop their cloud capacities; it means that the ones who seek to develop at scale didn't bother with .net. Now that .net is open source, MS has still at lot of work to fix all the issues on linux, but maybe the ship has sailed and developer won't bother to port on .net all the hard work done for java as they are really similar.

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by hokkos » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:46 PM UTC

jerven wrote: post #3

Instead of re implementing could something like ikvm work for their users/usecases?

IKVM is slower than JVM and more error prone, so for big class of work why bother if you can directly use the JVM ?

Re: The Weakness of the .NET OSS Ecosystem

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Post by mkesper » Thu, Jul 23, 2015, 3:46 PM UTC

The shortcomings of .NET’s open source ecosystem are your fault and my fault, not Microsoft’s. Do not point the finger at them. Actually, maybe blame them for Windows Server’s consumer-app-hostile licensing model. That merits some blame.

Well, Microsoft itself created a whole ecosystem of the proprietary lock-in type. Only very recently they seem to jump on the open source bandwagon. And don't hold your breath for a free software MS office...