Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
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Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
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Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#2When the problem is limited to highly populous areas like New York and Chicago and the phones work better if not flawlessly in suburbs and smaller cities the network most definitely is the problem.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#3I get much better AT&T coverage away from San Francisco. And AT&T customers not on iPhones don't seem to have the same level of complaint. (Lower expectations, or better on-phone radio-link-management?)
Perhaps it's a little of both: AT&T's network is somewhat thin and overloaded exactly where media and tech-influentials most notice, and the iPhone is more fragile when facing that than other devices.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#4Every smart phone I've owned, mostly T-mobile Sidekicks and now an iPhone, has had slightly worse reception than a 'normal' phone on the same network. So I take it as a given that the iPhone trades a bit of reception strength for better battery life, but not to the point of dropped calls. Those fall strictly on AT&T shoulders in my eyes.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#5I'm in Portland. We're not exactly a thriving metropolis. However, I've been living without 3G simply due to the horrible reception, the astonishing number of dropped calls and - even worse - the calls that I just never get. Edge, it turns out, is way more reliable for those of us here.
I never had any of these problems on T-Mobile, nor do those I know who currently have jailbroken phones on that network.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#6I think people need to stop jumping to conclusions. Maybe the "problem with the network" is that "there are too many iPhones on the network." This deals with every actual piece of evidence that people are putting forward to try to refute the original article. Is it really so hard to believe that Apple could put out a piece of hardware that does not behave nicely to others?
I'm not saying that the nytimes article is right, but just that people who say it's wrong are wrong.
As an analogy, you can take the routers that were stupidly configured to use stratum 1 NTP servers. These misbehaving devices placed too much strain on the NTP "network" because they used it inappropriately. But it was only the NTP servers that a lot of these routers were configured for that were having problems. Yet no one would claim that it's the NTP network's fault for the issues.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#7We can answer this pretty easily by looking at AT&T Blackberries. If 3G Blackberries also have issues, then it's the network. If not, it's Apple's problem.
Anybody out there with a BB care to comment?
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#8This reminds me of the advertising DSL-based ISPs used to run claiming that 'data hogs' on cable ISPs destroyed the experience for everyone else. Even if the iPhone was inefficient, that's something you compensate for with more aggressive network upgrades. If a communications network consistently provides poor service, that's not bad technology - it's poor management.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#9I think people need to stop jumping to conclusions. Maybe the "problem with the network" is that "there are too many iPhones on the network." This deals with every actual piece of evidence that people are putting forward to try to refute the original article. Is it really so hard to believe that Apple could put out a piece of hardware that does not behave nicely to others? I'm not saying that the nytimes article is r…
> As an analogy, you can take the routers that were stupidly configured to use stratum 1 NTP servers. These misbehaving devices placed too much strain on the NTP "network" because they used it inappropriately. But it was only the NTP servers that a lot of these routers were configured for that were having problems. Yet no one would claim that it's the NTP network's fault for the issues.
A poor analogy:
- AT&T sells the iPhone.
- AT&T sells the service.
ergo,
- AT&T is responsible for providing quality service to the iPhone.
Re: Who Do You Believe, Randall Stross or Your Own Lying Eyes?
#10We can answer this pretty easily by looking at AT&T Blackberries. If 3G Blackberries also have issues, then it's the network. If not, it's Apple's problem. Anybody out there with a BB care to comment?
I have an LG phone with at&t, and a droid with verizon. Verizon gets where at&t can't, even if you just compare non-3g.