Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
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Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#2I think we'll enter a paradigm where R+D costs will drive the price of successive generations of CPUs back up to the level of the early '90s or even before. We're near the end of the road scaling down the same designs with improved photolithography techniques. Eventually, we'll find a new dimension to optimize on, and then rapidly progress in that direction, which will lower prices again.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#3A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains.
Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#4A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
Did you mean competition in that penultimate sentence?
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#5A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
Did you mean competition in that penultimate sentence?
Yes, fixed thanks.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#6A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
I'm using a 5 year old laptop with intel graphics. It's fine for everything other than CAD and gaming. The former I don't do and the latter I have an XBox.
Perhaps the market isn't there so this is no biggy?
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#7A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
I'm using a 5 year old laptop with intel graphics. It's fine for everything other than CAD and gaming. The former I don't do and the latter I have an XBox. Perhaps the market isn't there so this is no biggy?
If you use the latest OSX, slowdown is very noticeable because of animations and other effects.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#8A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
I'm using a 5 year old laptop with intel graphics. It's fine for everything other than CAD and gaming. The former I don't do and the latter I have an XBox. Perhaps the market isn't there so this is no biggy?
The threat isn't graphics: http://www.nvidia.com/object/tesla-supercomputing-solutions....
Intel is worried about HPC solutions eating away at it's processor chip dominance.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#9It seems that we almost reached the limit of Moore's law. 5nm seems to be a physical limit at least for sustainable changes of current technologies.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#10A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
That may explain why Broadwell isn't significantly faster than Sandy Bridge, but I don't understand how it has anything to do with this announcement. How does 10nm being delayed 1 year have anything to do with integrating graphics?