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European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Seizing on the opportunity to use this supranational directive to overturn a democratically-enacted law

The directive exists pursuant to action of the European Parliament* which is also a democratic institution, as someone with Jeremy Malcolm's outstanding education is surely aware.

* http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:...

I'm not expressing an opinion on the merits of European copyright law; I'm not familiar with this case or the details of EU regulations, and I'm not suggesting the EFF is wrong to oppose this provision of EU law. I just get irritated as a citizen of the EU when people dismiss anything that comes out of Brussels as 'undemocractic'. Why does the EFF keep pandering to lowest common denominator like this? If I want xenophobic arguments I'll buy a tabloid newspaper.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Good old greed. The speed CDs and the music industry is disappearing probably will solve this issue going forward. Music is getting more and more fragmented and smaller and smaller styles show up that are very specific to a particular location. This will help to dismantle the music industry lobby probably.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Seizing on the opportunity to use this supranational directive to overturn a democratically-enacted law The directive exists pursuant to action of the European Parliament* which is also a democratic institution, as someone with Jeremy Malcolm's outstanding education is surely aware. * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... I'm not expressing an opinion on the merits of European copyright law;…

"xenophobic"? Is that really the word you're going to use here? Bit ridiculous.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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This idiotic decision will not stop one single CD from being ripped in Europe.

I don't think that any but the most naïve lawmaker believes that these laws will stop the behaviour they criminalise. Rather, they simply further the "3 felonies a day" state of being (http://www.harveysilverglate.com/Books/ThreeFeloniesaDay.asp... I will set aside (because I honestly don't know what I believe) whether that is an intended or unintended effect.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Seizing on the opportunity to use this supranational directive to overturn a democratically-enacted law The directive exists pursuant to action of the European Parliament* which is also a democratic institution, as someone with Jeremy Malcolm's outstanding education is surely aware. * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... I'm not expressing an opinion on the merits of European copyright law;…

"xenophobic"? Is that really the word you're going to use here? Bit ridiculous.

Is it not accurate? Portraying the democratically elected EU as 'undemocratic' because it is in contrast to a national government suggest to me that the source of the misrepresentation is due to them not being English (in this case).

That, and a very long track record of such sentiments being aired by those who are more transparently xenophobic. I don't see how it is ridiculous.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

"xenophobic"? Is that really the word you're going to use here? Bit ridiculous.

Is it not accurate? Portraying the democratically elected EU as 'undemocratic' because it is in contrast to a national government suggest to me that the source of the misrepresentation is due to them not being English (in this case). That, and a very long track record of such sentiments being aired by those who are more transparently xenophobic. I don't see how it is ridiculous.

The EFF has a "very long track record" of being xenophobic?

Well, now I've heard it all.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Seizing on the opportunity to use this supranational directive to overturn a democratically-enacted law The directive exists pursuant to action of the European Parliament* which is also a democratic institution, as someone with Jeremy Malcolm's outstanding education is surely aware. * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... I'm not expressing an opinion on the merits of European copyright law;…

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Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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This idiotic decision will not stop one single CD from being ripped in Europe.

I don't think that any but the most naïve lawmaker believes that these laws will stop the behaviour they criminalise. Rather, they simply further the "3 felonies a day" state of being ( http://www.harveysilverglate.com/Books/ThreeFeloniesaDay.asp... I will set aside (because I honestly don't know what I believe) whether that is an intended or unintended effect.

I'm in favor of anything that degrades the respect for the rule of law qua law.

We'll have direct democracy on this stuff yet! Look at the Swiss.

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