Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
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Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#2I am a little surprised that Google is join this route. Making Google Cloud into a huge business must be a high priority. I used Borg for a while in 2013, and it was amazingly, specially the logging for tracking down runtime problems.
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#3I am a little surprised that Google is join this route. Making Google Cloud into a huge business must be a high priority. I used Borg for a while in 2013, and it was amazingly, specially the logging for tracking down runtime problems.
Why? Google hands out all sorts of papers and such a few years after the fact.
This is just another example, an open source version of Borg that will always be a few years behind.
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#4Any references to the publications containing the real blueprint?
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#5Google open source projects in general are just shitty. The reason is that they don't open source the whole thing and the code ends up being full of assumptions that don't hold because you are either not running things at google scale or are missing certain key bits of the "secret sauce".
In any event google compute is a terrible user experience compared to the likes of AWS and other cloud providers. Heck, even the shittiest VPS providers tend to be better than google compute. So open sourcing their "secret sauce" as the article puts is still missing key bits so I don't know how many people actually fall for the good will part.
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#6This has nothing to do with the article, but I absolutely hate the way wired underlines their article links. It might fit with their magazine style design but it's so incredibly distracting. I always want to bump it 1px up or down!
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#7Google open source projects in general are just shitty. The reason is that they don't open source the whole thing and the code ends up being full of assumptions that don't hold because you are either not running things at google scale or are missing certain key bits of the "secret sauce". In any event google compute is a terrible user experience compared to the likes of AWS and other cloud providers. Heck, even the s…
What key bits do you think are missing from Kubernetes?
I'm sorry you seem to have had a bad experience with GCE, but please know that Kubernetes runs on several other clouds, too, with no crippleware or anything. It is 100% open.
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#8I am a little surprised that Google is join this route. Making Google Cloud into a huge business must be a high priority. I used Borg for a while in 2013, and it was amazingly, specially the logging for tracking down runtime problems.
Why? Google hands out all sorts of papers and such a few years after the fact. This is just another example, an open source version of Borg that will always be a few years behind.
While it is true that Borg is 10 years ahead of Kubernetes, we have the benefit of knowing where Borg arrived rather than following the same winding course.
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#9Any references to the publications containing the real blueprint?
Re: Google Open-Sourced Kubernetes to Boost Its Cloud
#10Google open source projects in general are just shitty. The reason is that they don't open source the whole thing and the code ends up being full of assumptions that don't hold because you are either not running things at google scale or are missing certain key bits of the "secret sauce". In any event google compute is a terrible user experience compared to the likes of AWS and other cloud providers. Heck, even the s…
disclaimer: i am a founder of the Kubernetes project and did the article with Cade at Wired. i also was product lead for compute engine back in the day fwiw :).
I am not sure which projects you have looked at from Google in terms of Open Source, but in the case of Kubernetes we have worked pretty hard to engage a community outside of Google and work with the community to make sure that Kubernetes is solid. One of the things that I like about the it is that many of the top contributors don't work at Google. People like Red Hat have worked very closely with us to make sure that (1) Kubernetes works well on traditional infrastructure (2) that it is a comprehensive system that meets enterprise needs, (3) that the usability is solid. People like Mirantis are working to integrate Kubernetes into the OpenStack ecosystem. The project started as a Google thing, but is bigger than a single company now.
Another thing worth noting: building a hosted commercial product (Google Container Engine) in the open by relying exclusively on the Kubernetes code base has helped us ensure that what we have built is explicitly not locked into Google's infrastructure, that the experience is good (since our community has built much of the experience), and that the product solves a genuinely broad set of problems.
Also consider that many of our early production users don't run on Google. Many do, but many also run on AWS or on private clouds.
-- craig