Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#1

Post by Raed667 » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:30 PM UTC

I have just finished an engineering JavaEE course, yet it seems like no one in the business world is hieing (or working with) it anymore.

Is it worth the time, or do you think it is dead?

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#2

Post by toolsadmin » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 10:01 PM UTC

Unfortunately not yet. JavaEE, and JSF specifically is garbage.

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#3

Post by Raed667 » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 10:14 PM UTC

toolsadmin wrote: post #2

Unfortunately not yet. JavaEE, and JSF specifically is garbage.

Why would you say that?

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#4

Post by theandrewbailey » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 10:58 PM UTC

If you want to work in a big corporation or bank, then Java (or even C#/.NET) is a good thing to have. If you want to work at a startup, it's not that valuable.

For the past few weeks, recruiters have been calling me a few times a week saying that they have Java positions that they need to fill, so it's absolutely not 'dead'.

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#5

Post by thoman23 » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 11:00 PM UTC

No, not dead. And a foundation in Java will still help if you do transition to another language (read: Scala) in the future.

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#6

Post by CyberFonic » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 1:05 AM UTC

I come across many legacy systems that use JavaEE in my sysadmin work.

After a bit of searching I found that the jobs typically may be found by searching for "Java Enterprise" - surprisingly nothing turned up for me with the search term "JavaEE". Of course, it depends which job board you are using in your search - I tried Monster & Seek.

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#7

Post by CyberFonic » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 1:08 AM UTC

toolsadmin wrote: post #2

Unfortunately not yet. JavaEE, and JSF specifically is garbage.

Oracle are doing everything possible to discourage startups from using Java.

Pity that Android chose Java - but then again, back then it seemed like a good idea (TM).

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#8

Post by lightlyused » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 1:31 AM UTC

toolsadmin wrote: post #2

Unfortunately not yet. JavaEE, and JSF specifically is garbage.

Can you please be more specific? What is JavaEE and JSF garbage.

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#9

Post by Raed667 » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 1:44 AM UTC

theandrewbailey wrote: post #4

If you want to work in a big corporation or bank, then Java (or even C#/.NET) is a good thing to have. If you want to work at a startup, it's not that valuable. For the past few weeks, recruiters have been calling me a few times a week saying that they have Java positions that they need to fill, so it's absolutely not 'dead'.

And old offshore companies. I've been doing some research, startups usually ask for some web-framework (Laravel,RoR,Django,Sails) or "big/traditional" companies want J2EE expertise (and SAP).

Re: Ask HN: Is JavaEE dead?

#10

Post by lsllc » Thu, Jun 04, 2015, 2:20 AM UTC

Forget J2EE, Java itself is dead. It got a bit of a shot-in-the-arm when Google chose it as a language for Android and it's had some activity around the JVM (e.g. Scala and also Twitter's fork of OpenJVM). But it's dead.