An argument for open global immigration
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An argument for open global immigration
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#3Or if you want a daily dose of extreme left-wing nonsense, subscribe to The Guardian or your country's equivalent.
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#4Lets me guess - it's really really good for all the poor people from impoverished, war-stricken countries? Or if you want a daily dose of extreme left-wing nonsense, subscribe to The Guardian or your country's equivalent.
What part of this argument do you disagree with, and why?
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#5This is a weak argument. We do this for wealth in general: the mechanism is called inheritance. Of course, the author does not want to make this argument directly, because doing so would actually make the counterarguments more obvious, so the focus is instead based on emotion.
The second problem with the "free migration solves everything" hypothesis is that the wealth and health of a nation exist as a direct consequence of the existence of the barriers, both political and cultural, rather then some arbitrary geographic accident. Moving people from poor to rich nations does not do anything to help make the poor nations less poor; it only risks the problems coming over with the people.
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#6However, on a population wide basis, it is a different story. The article uses refugees and oppressive governments (exceptions to the rule) in order to make his argument. A tactic I distrust. He does make a good point about the EU, although I think the jury is still out on that one.
I believe we should have more immigration in the US. However, we limit immigration for a reason. And the reason is too many people at once burden the infrastructure. We can only build so many freeways, schools, and hospitals at once. So, a large influx of immigrants will cause traffic, crowded classrooms, and long waits in the emergency rooms. Anyone who lives in LA can tell you this is the case since California has had a rapid population primarily driven by immigrants.
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#7Lets me guess - it's really really good for all the poor people from impoverished, war-stricken countries? Or if you want a daily dose of extreme left-wing nonsense, subscribe to The Guardian or your country's equivalent.
> it's really really good for all the poor people from impoverished, war-stricken countries? What part of this argument do you disagree with, and why?
Anyway, the other far more obvious solution is to move manufacturing to war torn areas. A billion dollars can creat a lot of jobs, and with reinvestment things can quickly snowball. Sure, setting up sweat shops is not going to give you the same kind of feel good boost, but poverty breeds corruption which breeds poverty.
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#8As the article correctly points out, just more than a century ago in the United States, many people worried that HUGE rates of immigration from non-English-speaking countries would be dangerous to this country. They were wrong. Both my maternal grandparents were born in the United States, but their schooling was conducted entirely in the German language. My paternal grandmother was also born in the United States, and attended school only in English, but she attended church services in the Norwegian language and spoke Norwegian at home. Even the descendants of languages less closely cognate to English than those have grown up to be English-speakers just like me. This is not a problem. The strength of the United States (as the article points out) was established in the era when the United States had essentially no restrictions on immigration. I wouldn't mind bringing back those days. If other countries didn't try the same policy, the United States would just grow faster at their expense.
[1] http://www.cnbc.com/id/48686889
[2] http://articles.latimes.com/2003/jun/15/news/adfg-brides15
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB100014240527023041980045751712...
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#9Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it's really really good for all the poor people from impoverished, war-stricken countries? What part of this argument do you disagree with, and why?
It's the equivelent of robbing someone and giving that to charity. Consider is you moved 100,000,000 poor people without English skills into the US just how much chaos that would creat. Now reolise there are several times that many people who would like to live in the US. As a general rule if something is significantly worse for group A and better for group B, but group A makes the choice your argument falls on deaf…
From the point of view of the Native Americans, that's roughly what happened already. Only thing different is language this time around, not that all of the original immigrants into America spoke English, and not that all of the current people there do.