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Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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Re: Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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It almost sounds too good to be true.

Given he was one of the Senators forcing the government shutdown based on values, I suspect he is one of the more honest politicians.

That being said, an honest politician...

It's almost like we need another word other than politician.

Re: Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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I understand that Rand Paul is heavily into the "rights" of corporations. Is that actually true?

I personally am rather more worried about corporate surveillance than NSA surveillance. That's why I pay cash for everything, and take pains to blackhole web analytics servers with my hosts file.

Re: Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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I understand that Rand Paul is heavily into the "rights" of corporations. Is that actually true? I personally am rather more worried about corporate surveillance than NSA surveillance. That's why I pay cash for everything, and take pains to blackhole web analytics servers with my hosts file.

I agree if we're talking about a conglomerate, but how many individual corporations can coerce other corporations into handing over information?

Re: Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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Rand Paul learned well from his father. He will say he'll do things that presidents can't actually do because a bunch of folks will send him cash for doing so.

Ron Paul was an incredibly good marketer, first selling conspiracy newsletters and racist shit to kooks, then realizing that American libertarians are both wealthier and more gullible. Rand is v2.0 of that awful nonsense.

Re: Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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I understand that Rand Paul is heavily into the "rights" of corporations. Is that actually true? I personally am rather more worried about corporate surveillance than NSA surveillance. That's why I pay cash for everything, and take pains to blackhole web analytics servers with my hosts file.

Presumably Rand Paul, like many Republicans (and no small number of Democrats), accepts the idea that people can exercise their rights through government-registered entities which they own, called "corporations". These are entities without intrinsic rights, but a well-known intellectual framework called "corporate personhood" which dates back to some of our earliest jurisprudence in this nation says that you treat them like they do, because it is a good way to reason about their owners' use of their personal rights. (This theory also makes it trivially obvious why corporate "personhood" doesn't mean corporations get to do things like vote or get married -- using a corporation is not a way that to exercise that sort of right.)

One may, of course, disagree that this is sound policy, but this opinion seems to be all-too-often presented in a manner which deliberately misunderstands / misrepresents the theory, perhaps in order to strengthen the invective language advocating against these policies. (Be sure to keep an eye on that, at least for the sake of your own intellectual honesty.)

Re: Rand Paul Pledges to Immediately End NSA Mass Surveillance If Elected President

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Every country with an intelligence service is working as hard at spying on the Internet as the NSA. (Albeit with less funding.)

I haven't heard a reasonable proposal to put that cat back into its bag, and without one Rand's statement sounds impractical and misguided, at best.

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