DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by ageisp0lis » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 3:11 AM UTC

DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad
justsecurity.org

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by th3iedkid » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 7:15 AM UTC

shouldn't such things be contested in international court of justice first?Isn't it considered breach of sovereignty for other nations?

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by nightcracker » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 7:36 AM UTC

th3iedkid wrote: post #2

shouldn't such things be contested in international court of justice first?Isn't it considered breach of sovereignty for other nations?

And who is going to enforce this court?

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by mechazawa » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 7:56 AM UTC

nightcracker wrote: post #3

th3iedkid wrote: post #2

shouldn't such things be contested in international court of justice first?Isn't it considered breach of sovereignty for other nations?

And who is going to enforce this court?

NATO

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by atmosx » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 8:23 AM UTC

mechazawa wrote: post #4

nightcracker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And who is going to enforce this court?

NATO

Although this might change in the next decade, the NATO is the US today.

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by ObviousScience » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 8:32 AM UTC

Why is the FBI being given powers that could count as an act of war?

If the FBI needs the ability to invade foreign computers, it should have to seek a court order requesting the military (eg, the NSA) compromise those computers.

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by tobltobs » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 10:54 AM UTC

th3iedkid wrote: post #2

shouldn't such things be contested in international court of justice first?Isn't it considered breach of sovereignty for other nations?

Do you believe people in other countries do care if they are hacked by NSA, FBI or whatever? In the end they are hacked by the US and most citizens of the US seem to believe that this is ok.

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by oceanstone » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 12:56 PM UTC

This seems to be aimed at VPN & Tor users inside the US.

> The proposed amendment addresses a jurisdictional limitation in the current version of Rule 41(b)(1) that prevents a judge from issuing a warrant unless the target is known to be located within her district.

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by akzfowl » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 1:16 PM UTC

th3iedkid wrote: post #2

shouldn't such things be contested in international court of justice first?Isn't it considered breach of sovereignty for other nations?

Since when does the US care about the International Court of Justice? "The United States accepts the court's jurisdiction only on a case-by-case basis"

Re: DOJ Proposal Would Expand FBI Power to Hack Computers Abroad

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Post by tempodox » Wed, Sep 17, 2014, 2:07 PM UTC

I don't see what difference this would make. U.S. spies & “law” enforcement only work by their own rules anyway (not the rule of law) and they don't give a rodent's backside for the written law of any country, including the U.S. itself.