A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

Just-A-Guest wrote: post #2

Livestream is blocking my access to this video (server error 500). Could anybody please provide a download or a torrent link, thank you very much!

Download from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXFaU1TWRWk

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by Just-A-Guest » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 10:24 AM UTC

quite wrote: post #4

Just-A-Guest wrote: post #2

Livestream is blocking my access to this video (server error 500). Could anybody please provide a download or a torrent link, thank you very much!

Download from: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXFaU1TWRWk

Thank you very much!

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by moogoo » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 10:47 AM UTC

The more I hear from this guy the less I like.

I think he was an agent and he got double crossed and feared for his life and took the data.

Nothing against sysadmins, but this guy has agent IQ. I am growing to think his story is complete bullshit regardless of the data dump.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by Create » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 11:26 AM UTC

We begin therefore where they are determined not to end, with the question whether any form of democratic self-government, anywhere, is consistent with the kind of massive, pervasive, surveillance into which the Unites States government has led not only us but the world.

This should not actually be a complicated inquiry.

http://snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html

Surveillance is not an end toward totalitarianism, it is totalitarianism itself.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/europe-24385999

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by droopybuns » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 1:34 PM UTC

The contrast of perspectives between Ellsburg's plea for the moral imperatives for leaking and Snowden's resistance to shaming those who don't leak was really interesting.

It seems like Ellsburg had developed a real contempt for all of us in America until Manning and Snowden came along.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by dreamweapon » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 2:03 PM UTC

Create wrote: post #7

We begin therefore where they are determined not to end, with the question whether any form of democratic self-government, anywhere, is consistent with the kind of massive, pervasive, surveillance into which the Unites States government has led not only us but the world. This should not actually be a complicated inquiry. http://snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html Surveillance is not an end toward totalitarianism, it…

Surveillance is not an end toward totalitarianism, it is totalitarianism itself.

That's quite an oversimplification.

Re: A Conversation with Edward Snowden at HOPE X [video]

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Post by cryoshon » Tue, Jul 22, 2014, 2:23 PM UTC

dreamweapon wrote: post #9

Create wrote: post #7

We begin therefore where they are determined not to end, with the question whether any form of democratic self-government, anywhere, is consistent with the kind of massive, pervasive, surveillance into which the Unites States government has led not only us but the world. This should not actually be a complicated inquiry. http://snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html Surveillance is not an end toward totalitarianism, it…

Surveillance is not an end toward totalitarianism, it is totalitarianism itself. That's quite an oversimplification.

Surveillance provides knowledge.

Knowledge is power.

Also oversimplified, but I'm pretty sure that's the line of reasoning. I'm not convinced that it's wrong.