EFF Statement on Passage of Massie-Lofgren Amendment Regarding NSA Backdoors

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Post by J2K » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 3:42 AM UTC

EFF Statement on Passage of Massie-Lofgren Amendment Regarding NSA Backdoors
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Post by diafygi » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 4:47 AM UTC

Will this likely kill the overall bill?

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Post by ewoodrich » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:04 AM UTC

diafygi wrote: post #2

Will this likely kill the overall bill?

The Senate will consider the bill in the next month, and will have the ability to introduce amendments. Ultimately, both houses will go to conference if there is a substantive difference between the proposals, and it will be reconciled.

So it depends on whether a Senator introduces amendments to FY15 Defense Appropriations that will affect this portion.

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Post by zmanian » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:08 AM UTC

diafygi wrote: post #2

Will this likely kill the overall bill?

It is a must pass Defense Appropriations bill. It won't get killed.

This also is the first time that the NSA lost a vote.

Just want to thank sinak and everyone who deployed https://shutthebackdoor.net/ on dime.

Internet based activism is starting to have an effect.

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:11 AM UTC

Are we to believe that passing laws will prevent intelligence agencies from doing certain things? It would seem to me the passing of laws just enables someone in government to say "fixed" and then the intelligence agencies continue doing whatever it is they do.

I'm not suggesting we shouldn't push for new / changing of laws, but does it really alter the trajectory?

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Post by lukeman » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:14 AM UTC

ewoodrich wrote: post #3

diafygi wrote: post #2

Will this likely kill the overall bill?

The Senate will consider the bill in the next month, and will have the ability to introduce amendments. Ultimately, both houses will go to conference if there is a substantive difference between the proposals, and it will be reconciled. So it depends on whether a Senator introduces amendments to FY15 Defense Appropriations that will affect this portion.

Massie has a strong ally in Rand Paul, so he and Wyden on the Democrat side will be champions of this against the usual GOP hawks and Democrat Senate leadership.

We have enough liberty-minded Senators to get this done if public opinion is behind them. I'm pleased with the strength of the support so far, but the old guard will fight this tooth and nail.

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Post by zachrose » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:37 AM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #5

Are we to believe that passing laws will prevent intelligence agencies from doing certain things? It would seem to me the passing of laws just enables someone in government to say "fixed" and then the intelligence agencies continue doing whatever it is they do. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't push for new / changing of laws, but does it really alter the trajectory?

What other courses of action do you have in mind?

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Post by pjmlp » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:41 AM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #5

Are we to believe that passing laws will prevent intelligence agencies from doing certain things? It would seem to me the passing of laws just enables someone in government to say "fixed" and then the intelligence agencies continue doing whatever it is they do. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't push for new / changing of laws, but does it really alter the trajectory?

No, but normal citizens have this strange belief security agencies follow laws.

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 5:46 AM UTC

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #5

Are we to believe that passing laws will prevent intelligence agencies from doing certain things? It would seem to me the passing of laws just enables someone in government to say "fixed" and then the intelligence agencies continue doing whatever it is they do. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't push for new / changing of laws, but does it really alter the trajectory?

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Post by thenmar » Fri, Jun 20, 2014, 6:58 AM UTC

pjmlp wrote: post #8

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #5

Are we to believe that passing laws will prevent intelligence agencies from doing certain things? It would seem to me the passing of laws just enables someone in government to say "fixed" and then the intelligence agencies continue doing whatever it is they do. I'm not suggesting we shouldn't push for new / changing of laws, but does it really alter the trajectory?

No, but normal citizens have this strange belief security agencies follow laws.

Can you elaborate on who is normal and who is not? Thank you for clarification.