Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
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Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#2Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#3Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#4Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
The specialists at ANT, which presumably stands for Advanced or Access Network Technology, could be described as master carpenters for the NSA's department for Tailored Access Operations (TAO)... The ANT developers have a clear preference for planting their malicious code in so-called BIOS, software located on a computer's motherboard that is the first thing to load when a computer is turned on... This has a number of valuable advantages: an infected PC or server appears to be functioning normally, so the infection remains invisible to virus protection and other security programs. And even if the hard drive of an infected computer has been completely erased and a new operating system is installed, the ANT malware can continue to function and ensures that new spyware can once again be loaded onto what is presumed to be a clean computer. The ANT developers call this "Persistence" and believe this approach has provided them with the possibility of permanent access.
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/catalog-reveals-ns...
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#5Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
>The latest report, this time via Der Spiegel and based on internal NSA documents, reveals that the NSA, in conjunction with the CIA and FBI, has begun intercepting laptops purchased online in order to install (quite literal) spyware and even hardware ... Agents divert shipments to secret warehouses ... install the software and/or hardware ...
So if they're installing hardware/firmware that is something a clean reinstallation won't fix. Probably should have titled the submission software/hardware.
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#6In all seriousness, one has to wonder how shipments get diverted, and how easily this process can be taken advantage of. Surely the companies handling these "special" shipments are made aware of details on a need-to-know basis (eg: super-secret gov. employee is going to be taking the shipment for an hour, don't ask why and don't tell anyone), but are they able to verify that their handlers are who they say they are?
Would you trust a shipping company based in China? Why would you trust an American one any more than a Chinese one?
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#7Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
The linked article on Der Spiegel has a section on what they call "persistence:" The specialists at ANT, which presumably stands for Advanced or Access Network Technology, could be described as master carpenters for the NSA's department for Tailored Access Operations (TAO)... The ANT developers have a clear preference for planting their malicious code in so-called BIOS, software located on a computer's motherboard th…
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#8Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#9Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
Seriously? Why on earth should Joe Average be made to clean reinstall OS after buying a new hardware?
Re: Report: NSA intercepting laptops ordered online, installing spyware
#10Even Joe Average should be acknowledged that clean reinstallation after getting new hardware is a good practice. Ed: BTW, does somebody know how to audit your laptop in its current state?
The linked article on Der Spiegel has a section on what they call "persistence:" The specialists at ANT, which presumably stands for Advanced or Access Network Technology, could be described as master carpenters for the NSA's department for Tailored Access Operations (TAO)... The ANT developers have a clear preference for planting their malicious code in so-called BIOS, software located on a computer's motherboard th…
We need an open source motherboard for people who care about protecting themselves from this kind of thing. Or at least an open source BIOS. But it's an insidious problem, because once a BIOS is infected, it controls everything that may ever replace the BIOS. Therefore it's almost impossible to detect if your BIOS has been "man in the middle'd," and hence even an open source BIOS may not be enough.
I don't have a good solution, but this is a terribly important problem to solve.