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NSA reportedly intercepting laptops purchased online to install spy malware

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Re: NSA reportedly intercepting laptops purchased online to install spy malware

#4
I don't like these types of disclosures. I don't think that they further the debate. It is perfectly ok for a security agency to have this kinds of targeted capabilities.

It would have been better if they also reported a case of abuses of these capabilities.

Re: NSA reportedly intercepting laptops purchased online to install spy malware

#5

I don't like these types of disclosures. I don't think that they further the debate. It is perfectly ok for a security agency to have this kinds of targeted capabilities. It would have been better if they also reported a case of abuses of these capabilities.

So you'd be ok, hypothetically, with having your laptop "interdicted" en route to you, and keyloggers or whatever installed on it?

Or is it just ok when it happens to the "bad guys"?

Re: NSA reportedly intercepting laptops purchased online to install spy malware

#6

I don't like these types of disclosures. I don't think that they further the debate. It is perfectly ok for a security agency to have this kinds of targeted capabilities. It would have been better if they also reported a case of abuses of these capabilities.

Sorry, but your opinion is just plain wrong: It is not okay for a security agency to have this unchecked access to the worlds industrial resources. This sort of capability, unchecked, is more than enough justification for a declaration of war on the USA by, pretty much, any other major power out there. (It won't happen, but its definitely worthy of the act.)

The reason is: this activity completely undermines the sovereignty of every single nation. It invalidates and makes irrelevant any peaceful trade agreements made between different state actors. It completely violates human rights.

LOOK at the situation, don't just think about it. If you were Germany, would you be happy knowing that every Macbook in your country was reporting back to the NSA? Every Dell? Every HP?

Re: NSA reportedly intercepting laptops purchased online to install spy malware

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post #5

I don't like these types of disclosures. I don't think that they further the debate. It is perfectly ok for a security agency to have this kinds of targeted capabilities. It would have been better if they also reported a case of abuses of these capabilities.

So you'd be ok, hypothetically, with having your laptop "interdicted" en route to you, and keyloggers or whatever installed on it? Or is it just ok when it happens to the "bad guys"?

I don't use laptops. Always have self assembled my rigs. I think there are subtle differences between "NSA has the ability to rig someone's laptop when he is a legitimate target with proven national interest" and "NSA is intercepting and rigging laptops en masse" or "NSA laptop intercepting program is yielding a lot of false positives".

The problem is that NSA is abusing its powers, taken its mission too far etc ...

But yeah - I am totally ok with NSA intercepting specific shipment after having credible HUMINT about some highly probable treat to national security. I am not ok with NSA subverting the whole infrastructure of the world just so they can snoop on their loved ones.

Re: NSA reportedly intercepting laptops purchased online to install spy malware

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post #6

I don't like these types of disclosures. I don't think that they further the debate. It is perfectly ok for a security agency to have this kinds of targeted capabilities. It would have been better if they also reported a case of abuses of these capabilities.

Sorry, but your opinion is just plain wrong: It is not okay for a security agency to have this unchecked access to the worlds industrial resources. This sort of capability, unchecked, is more than enough justification for a declaration of war on the USA by, pretty much, any other major power out there. (It won't happen, but its definitely worthy of the act.) The reason is: this activity completely undermines the sove…

I am looking. The main problem is unchecked. But also the article said they have the ability to do it per shipment.

And if the backdoors mention into the article about the software are zero days exploits they are totally fair game. If they are real backdoors - this is a whole other case. But there hasn't been leaked that kind of info except the RNG.

And in some perverted way if my PC has to report to someone I prefer it to be to NSA than to my own country.

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