SEOmoz: My Startup Experience
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SEOmoz: My Startup Experience
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#3Out of curiosity.. is anyone here a SEOmoz Pro member and is it worth the money?
The results are sometimes interesting, but it's really targeted at hard-core search marketers. As a casual user I find the reports hard to get my head around and not directly useful in improving my websites.
Great blog article, though.
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#4Out of curiosity.. is anyone here a SEOmoz Pro member and is it worth the money?
I think your perception of value is going to be heavily influenced by your level of SEO expertise and what your SEO workflow looks like. Aaron Wall has a great pyramid for expertise in an arbitrary market -- the beginners always outnumber the intermediates who outnumber... SEOMoz Pro is targeted at, if I don't miss my guess, high beginning/low intermediate. If you can't look at the SERP for [bingo cards] and say "This is competitive but not nearly as competitive as [student credit cards]" then they have a tool which will tell you exactly that and that provides value. For businesses who are in that sweet spot it is totally a no-brainer.
With regards to the workflow bit: SEO is primarily a game of link acquisition at the competitive levels. One common strategy for acquiring them is to identify pages on the Internet that would be good links and then email the people in charge of them to ask for the link. A lot of the SEOMoz tools are designed to make this process more efficient. I have deep misgivings about it (from both a it-is-a-nuisance and the-ROI-is-inferior-to-less-annoying-alternatives perspectives) and don't practice it myself, so those aren't so useful for me.
I would like to flatter myself and say I'm a wee bit above low-intermediate in SEO. I mostly use the Rank Tracker, and the other tools have not frequently given me actionable information. That said, I am not displeased with my $80 a month or whatever it was. If there is ONE thing I wish everyone at HN understood in their bones about SEO, it is that the ROI on it is just freaking amazing. Pick a number beyond your wildest dreams, no, it is better than that. In that context, I often spend speculatively on it, and ~100 a month is easy to justify even if it only results in positive decisions once a year.
(Edited to add: Don't let the Internet Marketing crowd fleece you, though.)
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#5Out of curiosity.. is anyone here a SEOmoz Pro member and is it worth the money?
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#6I think the subscription fee is well worth it if you are looking to draw more traffic to your website via SEO. It's the combination of the tools and the community.
Disclaimer: Rand Fishkin's a friend (but I would have been a customer regardless).
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#7So what gives?
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#8I'm surprised that they were unprofitable. How does a consulting business with great brand recognition, in an industry that's still growing fast, not make boatloads of money? They should be like all those Whateverilents of the late 90's, paying people $50/hour and billing them to companies at $200/hour. (At least, I know of plenty of companies that would pay that much, and plenty of SEOs who would make that much -- a…
And yeah - our rates are $1,000 per hour, which helps moderate demand, but we rarely outsource anything (and even when we do, it's to other very high priced vendors). Strategic SEO (vs. the tactical keyword research, link building, site editing, etc.) requires lots of deep knowledge.
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#9Out of curiosity.. is anyone here a SEOmoz Pro member and is it worth the money?
I am as well. My agency has an account. They're tools don't do much that you can't do on your own for free, but they do put it all in one place which saves us enough time when doing market research that it justifies the cost.
And yeah, I know I'm biased, but I'm also very excited to have an article of mine posted to one of my favorite sites.
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#10I'm surprised that they were unprofitable. How does a consulting business with great brand recognition, in an industry that's still growing fast, not make boatloads of money? They should be like all those Whateverilents of the late 90's, paying people $50/hour and billing them to companies at $200/hour. (At least, I know of plenty of companies that would pay that much, and plenty of SEOs who would make that much -- a…
byrne - I think you might have misread the piece; we were profitable when we took investment the first time and are profitable again now. The "dip" was during a period when we burned the investment capital to grow faster. And yeah - our rates are $1,000 per hour, which helps moderate demand, but we rarely outsource anything (and even when we do, it's to other very high priced vendors). Strategic SEO (vs. the tactical…
$1,000 an hour! Definitely gives me something to shoot for! I've noticed that in my SEO work, too: the first 10% of the work (planning and strategy) seems to have many times the value of the next 90% (the research and implementation). It's just tough to charge wildly different amounts for the same person's time. I guess doing just that first 10% is a solid solution.