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Re: Probability and Risk in the Real World [pdf]

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GMO risk

Taleb: "Genetically Modified Organisms, GMOs. Top-down modifications to the system (through GMOs) are categorically and statistically different from bottom up ones (regular farming, progressive tinkering with crops, etc.) To borrow from Rupert Read, there is no comparison between the tinkering of selective breeding and the top-down engineering of taking a gene from a fish and putting it into a tomato. Saying that such a product is natural misses the statistical process by which things become “natural”.

What people miss is that the modification of crops impacts everyone and exports the error from the local to the global. I do not wish to pay —or have my descendants pay — for errors by executives of Monsanto. We should exert the precautionary principle there —our non-naive version — simply because we would discover errors after considerable damage."

http://blog.longnow.org/02013/07/08/the-artangel-longplayer-...

Re: Probability and Risk in the Real World [pdf]

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In the stock market, probability theory is (mis)used to model the typical random behavior of the market, as Nassim Taleb as seen many times. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black%E2%80%93Scholes http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-17866646

frequentist probability seems like an okay tool for the stock market, but these who knows if the motion of stocks are correctly separated into "drift" and "noise" by Ito processes or whatever model they choose

Rare events - "risk" - can and will occur if we leave a process running sufficiently long, and sooner than we predict. This is Taleb's "Black Swan".

Game-theoretic strategies seem better here, playing stocks off each other accounting for the "black swan" as much as we can.

Re: Probability and Risk in the Real World [pdf]

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Crank science time!

What I think he is doing, he is basically taking his philosophical musings, finds concepts from very high level mathematics that seem corresponding, buries it all under a mountain of formalism introduced for no particular reason and then... does absolutely nothing with it. He will plug in some numbers or show some trivial (except for the mountain of formalism) inequality as a supposed mathematical "proof" of his revelations. I don't think he himself understands the mathematics he attempts to write about.

If you would like, for a change, to look at a "probability in the real world" book that would make any actual sense, and by someone who has used probability theory successfully in practice, have a look at "The Art of Probability" by Richard Hamming, the inventor of coding theory. He treats things like robustness of models to violation of assumptions that are not often found in other books, and he uses only calculus, although as opposed to Mr Taleb he actually is able to do derivations.

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Crank science time! What I think he is doing, he is basically taking his philosophical musings, finds concepts from very high level mathematics that seem corresponding, buries it all under a mountain of formalism introduced for no particular reason and then... does absolutely nothing with it. He will plug in some numbers or show some trivial (except for the mountain of formalism) inequality as a supposed mathematical…

"The Art of Probability" by Richard Hamming, the inventor of coding theory

The same guy who brought us The Art of Doing Science and Engineering?

Welp, time to order another book.

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Crank science time! What I think he is doing, he is basically taking his philosophical musings, finds concepts from very high level mathematics that seem corresponding, buries it all under a mountain of formalism introduced for no particular reason and then... does absolutely nothing with it. He will plug in some numbers or show some trivial (except for the mountain of formalism) inequality as a supposed mathematical…

He got his PhD in the pricing of derivatives, and wrote the book Dynamic Hedging almost 20 years ago, far before he started with his so called "philosophical musings".

If you are gonna criticize someone, it would be better to criticize something that person has said rather than calling him a crank.

That aside, the book you posted seems interesting indeed.

http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Hedging-Managing-Vanilla-Optio...

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Crank science time! What I think he is doing, he is basically taking his philosophical musings, finds concepts from very high level mathematics that seem corresponding, buries it all under a mountain of formalism introduced for no particular reason and then... does absolutely nothing with it. He will plug in some numbers or show some trivial (except for the mountain of formalism) inequality as a supposed mathematical…

This is what I've always kind of wondered about when reading his books. I think he has interesting ideas, but I have an extremely hard time following the math he uses to back it up. I can't help by think that it may be a put on to confuse and convince readers like myself. At least he puts his stuff out there. Reminds me a bit of Stephen Wolfram.

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Crank science time! What I think he is doing, he is basically taking his philosophical musings, finds concepts from very high level mathematics that seem corresponding, buries it all under a mountain of formalism introduced for no particular reason and then... does absolutely nothing with it. He will plug in some numbers or show some trivial (except for the mountain of formalism) inequality as a supposed mathematical…

He got his PhD in the pricing of derivatives, and wrote the book Dynamic Hedging almost 20 years ago, far before he started with his so called "philosophical musings". If you are gonna criticize someone, it would be better to criticize something that person has said rather than calling him a crank. That aside, the book you posted seems interesting indeed. http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Hedging-Managing-Vanilla-Optio..…

The thing with cranks is that there is really nothing to criticize, the words just don't make any sense - terminology is misused or invented and not explained, formalism is introduced without apparent reason, established best practices for communication are not followed (like stating your objectives and conclusions from your work) and so forth. I mean, what the hell is this supposed to mean I can't even imagine:

Definition 1.

A rule is a decision-making heuristic that operates under a broad set of circumstances. Unlike a theorem, which depends on a specific (and closed) set of assumptions, it holds across a broad range of environments which is precisely the point. In that sense it is stronger than a theorem for decision-making.

This is outright nonsense, if he doesn't understand what a theorem is, how can he possibly understand Lebesgue integration and functional analysis?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He got his PhD in the pricing of derivatives, and wrote the book Dynamic Hedging almost 20 years ago, far before he started with his so called "philosophical musings". If you are gonna criticize someone, it would be better to criticize something that person has said rather than calling him a crank. That aside, the book you posted seems interesting indeed. http://www.amazon.com/Dynamic-Hedging-Managing-Vanilla-Optio..…

The thing with cranks is that there is really nothing to criticize, the words just don't make any sense - terminology is misused or invented and not explained, formalism is introduced without apparent reason, established best practices for communication are not followed (like stating your objectives and conclusions from your work) and so forth. I mean, what the hell is this supposed to mean I can't even imagine: Defi…

His attitude on academica and proofs are different from most contemporary researchers/scholars, something that he has talked about extensively in his books and other writings. Being well-read in the classics and spending a lot of his time on the trade floor probably has something to do with it. As hackers I think this attitude isn't that far off, when it comes to the hacker/compsci "divide".

While I see your point about the quote, I think his intent of the definition is very clear. If you are curious and want to know what he means by something, he's very active on both facebook and twitter.

As a specific example, you have probably heard of the saying "premature optimization is the root of all evil". This is a rule which holds in pretty much any domain. It's obviously not a theorem, but you can still talk about the payoff of the rule. This is what Taleb means when he says "probability in the real world" - it's all about payoffs and consequences.

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