Dear USA, my data has left your building
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Dear USA, my data has left your building
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Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#2Dear cpbotha,
No it hasn't.
-- USA.
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#3It's a bit naive to believe that after Google may have deleted your emails (no good reason to trust them, I'm afraid), the NSA also no longer has access to them. They picked them up as they arrived at or left your Gmail account and will keep them forever.
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#4It's a bit naive to believe that after Google may have deleted your emails (no good reason to trust them, I'm afraid), the NSA also no longer has access to them. They picked them up as they arrived at or left your Gmail account and will keep them forever.
But may not get his future email and future data, which is still much better to him than if he stayed with Google.
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#5Over the last month I have cancelled all our servers in US, setting up a new one this morning in Amsterdam
One thing I am worried about is potential liability of having someone sueing us under data protection laws here in Ireland, claiming their data was inspected by US and we couldnt protect their privacy
Here in Europe we get to have data protection commisioners and strong laws on the subject unlike across the pond.
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#6Dear cpbotha,
You can run, but you can't hide.
- USA
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#7Nitpickers aside (yes, what they had they may still have or at least in digest form) this is a single instance of a tidal wave of people doing this. EU datacenters are doing quite well because of the NSA revelations.
The economic impact of this could very well counteract any net plus the US had while they were able to spy at will. Likely it's not going to be the same parties that will end up footing the bill.
The practical effect from a security point of view of this exodus is likely not very significant, I take it as read that EU pipes & major hubs are also bugged in much the same way, possibly even by the NSA and their friends with tacit approval or blind-eye-turning of local authorities, presumably under some data sharing agreement.
Just this morning it was revealed that Belgacom (the Belgian major telco) has concluded that their communications are being spied on and I'm sure that even though the Belgian government is reacting very much upset about this that when the final verdict is in we'll find that that very same government at some level of the bureaucracy knew about this since day one.
Plausible deniability will protect those in charge.
So, you can move your data around as much as you want, it won't make much more than symbolic difference unless you go to really exotic or lawless places.
Maybe Switzerland or Iceland could re-invent themselves as data bastions but that would merely shift the attention to lines running into and out of those places.
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#8It's interesting to see people doing this as it's something I've been planning to try. I've backed the Lima project on Kickstarter which will hopefully become my Dropbox replacement:
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/cloud-guys/plug-the-brai...
and the Mailpile project on Indiegogo which will hopefully work as my email frontend on a local server:
http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/mailpile-taking-e-mail-bac...
I'm planning on buying a small server for running all my services on a VPN (mail server, GitLab, Mailpile etc.) and a decent NAS with RAID'ed backups of server + lima drives + time machine and if possible send that to a safe off-site backup.
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#9Dear cpbotha, No it hasn't. -- USA.
As for Google - yes it has. If this is done en masse it will hit their bottom line. Only this will make them lobby for better rules. So even if the USA can still snoop there is a chance for change.
Re: Dear USA, my data has left your building
#10Nitpickers aside (yes, what they had they may still have or at least in digest form) this is a single instance of a tidal wave of people doing this. EU datacenters are doing quite well because of the NSA revelations. The economic impact of this could very well counteract any net plus the US had while they were able to spy at will. Likely it's not going to be the same parties that will end up footing the bill. The pra…
More to the point, this is a problem of layers. It's not just where you decide to host.
Most every national government is probably involved in data sniffing to one degree or another, major hubs are/can be bugged, and undersea fiber connections are especially vulnerable. This, in addition to all of the insecurities found in common consumer gear.
There's probably a tidal wave of folks moving, but I agree: the move is nothing more than hugely symbolic. The only thing you might accomplish is change the organization that's capturing your data and perhaps the method. But that's about it.