The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by pablosanchez » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:05 PM UTC

The limits of Google’s openness
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Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by samspenc » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:28 PM UTC

Looks like Microsoft disabled comments.

Smart move, look at what happened to the previous one where they DID allow comments :p http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2...

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by creativityland » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:29 PM UTC

samspenc wrote: post #2

Looks like Microsoft disabled comments. Smart move, look at what happened to the previous one where they DID allow comments :p http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2...

Quite outspoken Android users commenting it would seem. Wonder how YC will react to this post.

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by Avalaxy » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:30 PM UTC

samspenc wrote: post #2

Looks like Microsoft disabled comments. Smart move, look at what happened to the previous one where they DID allow comments :p http://blogs.technet.com/b/microsoft_on_the_issues/archive/2...

I can't imagine TechNet being so full of Microsoft-haters. Was this sponsored by HN/reddit/4chan or something?

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by devx » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:34 PM UTC

It seems Google will allow them to build an HTML5 app, even though Microsoft has repeatedly breached their TOS multiple times (like allowing users to download the videos). If Microsoft's WP8 platform is so behind the times, it can't even make an HTML5 web-app possible, that's really Microsoft's problem.

If I'm not mistaken all the other "native" Youtube apps on other platforms are Google's own apps, and it's also their prerogative to choose the platforms they want to make native apps on. For example, they haven't made one for Roku either, and it's the #1 media streaming box right now.

So I don't see the problem here?

EDIT: One other thing. Google told them from the beginning that they'll only allow an HTML5 app. So what does Microsoft do? They make a native app - again. And then Microsoft releases the native app to their store, without Google's approval, even though they were supposedly "collaborating" on this, and then seeds press releases to the media that Google-the-bad-guy blocked them "again" - like it was "completely unexpected" or something.

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by madisp » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:37 PM UTC

devx wrote: post #5

It seems Google will allow them to build an HTML5 app, even though Microsoft has repeatedly breached their TOS multiple times (like allowing users to download the videos). If Microsoft's WP8 platform is so behind the times, it can't even make an HTML5 web-app possible, that's really Microsoft's problem. If I'm not mistaken all the other "native" Youtube apps on other platforms are Google's own apps, and it's also the…

I love it how they never really say that Android == Google in the article and instead play it like the Youtube apps were somehow made by iPhone and Android OS/platform engineers.

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by jarjoura » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:37 PM UTC

devx wrote: post #5

It seems Google will allow them to build an HTML5 app, even though Microsoft has repeatedly breached their TOS multiple times (like allowing users to download the videos). If Microsoft's WP8 platform is so behind the times, it can't even make an HTML5 web-app possible, that's really Microsoft's problem. If I'm not mistaken all the other "native" Youtube apps on other platforms are Google's own apps, and it's also the…

Prerogative or not, it's still douchey of Google to outright block Microsoft. The original Apple version of YouTube only shows videos that do not want advertising (granted a smaller and smaller # of videos).

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by leaffig » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:37 PM UTC

Curiously, Windows Phone is pretty much the only 'big' mobile platform where Google search is not the default.

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by mjolk » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:39 PM UTC

This whole thing is passive aggressive, but the best part is:

>"Google objected on a number of grounds. We took our app down and agreed to work with Google to solve their issues..We enabled Google’s advertisements, disabled video downloads and eliminated the ability for users to view reserved videos. We did this all at no cost to Google, which one would think would want a YouTube app on Windows Phone that would only serve to bring Google new users and additional revenue."

"We stopped breaking Google's ToS at _no cost_ to Google"

Cry me a river, Microsoft.

Re: The limits of Google’s openness

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Post by barista » Thu, Aug 15, 2013, 8:40 PM UTC

devx wrote: post #5

It seems Google will allow them to build an HTML5 app, even though Microsoft has repeatedly breached their TOS multiple times (like allowing users to download the videos). If Microsoft's WP8 platform is so behind the times, it can't even make an HTML5 web-app possible, that's really Microsoft's problem. If I'm not mistaken all the other "native" Youtube apps on other platforms are Google's own apps, and it's also the…

>It seems Google will allow them to build an HTML5 app

Isn't it more like Google is forcing them to write an HTML5 app by refusing to allow native app?