VP of Engineering - "best of the best" = no more than 12 years experience?
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Re: VP of Engineering - "best of the best" = no more than 12 years experience?
#2Yeah obviously. Who wants to hire gross old people in their shiny new startup.
Re: VP of Engineering - "best of the best" = no more than 12 years experience?
#3Yeah obviously. Who wants to hire gross old people in their shiny new startup.
Lol, this is probably the reasoning.
Re: VP of Engineering - "best of the best" = no more than 12 years experience?
#4This company has been looking for a VP of Engineering since at least last summer. I applied for this position back then. They got back to me with a ridiculous busy-work problem they wanted me to solve. I forgot then about them.
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#5The only reasoning I can come up with that could possibly support this is maybe they have the idea in mind that those with more than 12 years experience would be less able to adapt to newer ways of thinking?
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#6Maybe they assume someone with 12+ years of experience would demand a higher salary than they can offer? They might identify such a candidate with a C-level position like CTO more than a VP position. I don't really know; I'm just trying to come up with a non-ageist explanation.
It might not be any different from how someone with 5+ years of experience normally wouldn't be considered for junior roles.
Or it might just be ageist.
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#7Yeah obviously. Who wants to hire gross old people in their shiny new startup.
Agile is only 12 years old [1], so it might be related to the old programmer joke about HR posting job ads that require 'x' years experience with 'y' year-old tech, for some x > y.
But that's grasping at straws, and if that is the intention it's a really unfortunate way of putting it.
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agile_software_development
* edited to address the mistake MaysonL pointed out. Thanks!
Re: VP of Engineering - "best of the best" = no more than 12 years experience?
#8The only reasoning I can come up with that could possibly support this is maybe they have the idea in mind that those with more than 12 years experience would be less able to adapt to newer ways of thinking?
That counts as ageist for me.
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#9I am not a lawyer, but is this not illegal in the U.S.?
Checking The U.S. Equal Employment Opportunity Commission website[1], it says under the "PROHIBITION OF AGE DISCRIMINATION" section:
(e) Printing or publication of notice or advertisement indicating preference, limitation, etc.
Re: VP of Engineering - "best of the best" = no more than 12 years experience?
#10One way to interpret this is that the Agile Manifesto was published in 2001, so although it's possible you managed agile teams before 2001 it's unlikely, or if you've been successfully managing agile teams since before the manifesto and you're interested in a startup... what's wrong w/ you (seriously... if you're crushing it w/ agile for 12 years and now enterprises are all scrum-happy and you aren't making boatloads of cash consulting why are you considering a startup... oh, you're a serial startup guy... that's cool then you won't give a shit about some nonsense in a job posting, you'll work your network to get an interview or contact the founders directly and convince them you're worth talking to... and if you can't do that you're probably not VP material. No?)
One way to respond to this kind of job posting is "fuck that, I'm not going to waste my time w/ that shit".