U.S. spied on millions of e-mails and calls of Brazilians

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Post by captiva12 » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 2:35 AM UTC

U.S. spied on millions of e-mails and calls of Brazilians
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Post by saosebastiao » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:36 AM UTC

Is this a new leak? Or have the Brazilian docs been surfaced before? How many countries do we have to make enemies of before we can start talking impeachment?

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Post by gcb0 » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:39 AM UTC

Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway?

What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

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Post by pvnick » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:40 AM UTC

Greenwald's english synopsis: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/jul/07/nsa-braz...

It's interesting to see him strategically releasing these stories to maximize impact of the information. While I'm sure Latin American leaders knew of or at least suspected NSA spying, seeing confirmation in such a revealing way must certainly strengthen their resolve to stand up to the US "treating them as colonies," which can only be good news for Snowden.

It's also interesting to think about the stated mission of the NSA, which is to collect foreign intelligence. Is that a black and white statement? Are there boundaries and human rights to be respected? America respects international law on not torturing to some debatable degree, perhaps a "spying" agreement is needed to define the acceptable limits on collecting foreign intelligence, which I don't believe yet exists.

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Post by computer » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:45 AM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #3

Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

There's a difference between spying on foreign powers and spying on all of the citizens in the world. There is also a difference between spying and mass surveillance.

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:48 AM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #3

Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

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Post by segacontroller » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:53 AM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #3

Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

I think the argument here is the general polulations data is subject to being recorded and analyzed.

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Post by MysticFear » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:54 AM UTC

Plus we just beat their MMA champion. Tough day for Brasil.

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Post by joe_the_user » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 4:59 AM UTC

gcb0 wrote: post #3

Isn't this what the NSA was started for anyway? What is the surprise here? "Agency created to spy on foreign powers is spying on foreign powers"... really?

I am not sure if an average Brazilian thinks of themselves as a "foreign power".

Would you be happy to have the government of a random country, say Russia, Brazil, Albania or whereever, reading your emails?

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Post by conover » Sun, Jul 07, 2013, 5:05 AM UTC

"It is hard to fight an enemy who has outposts in your head." - S. K.