Facts about Wayland vs X
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Facts about Wayland vs X
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Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#2The part that really sums things up for me was:
"XI) “But Eric, if X11 is so terrible why not just make X12 rather than a whole new protocol?” They did, technically anyway: http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12
One big problem with keeping it under the “X” umbrella: Anyone who cares about X would have a say in a future version of it. By calling it “Wayland” they avoid that issue. No one cares. Its an unrelated project, they (the developers) can do what THEY want with their future display server, the people who care about X can go to make X12."
Which makes much sense. Given X11 has been around for many many years, albiet various revisions. Heck was only earlier today looking at a old book of mine on X11 from 1989 (X11R4) and recall what a curve it was back then.
So I can understand the legacy hangover aspect and with that moving to a new design/brandname enabled many short cuts in the paperwork and other programming politics aspects.
With that the 25 years is mooted much in this document about how old X is and with that the book I have is a first edition and also around the time which graphics cards started to become available, albiet expensive (recalling a 10k black and white X station by NCR).
Not touched coding on wayland (or indeed X for umpteen years) but would be interesting in how they compare and indeed how they also compare to coding in a standard desktop GUI.
Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#3The part that really sums things up for me was: "XI) “But Eric, if X11 is so terrible why not just make X12 rather than a whole new protocol?” They did, technically anyway: http://www.x.org/wiki/Development/X12 One big problem with keeping it under the “X” umbrella: Anyone who cares about X would have a say in a future version of it. By calling it “Wayland” they avoid that issue. No one cares. Its an unrelated projec…
There was also the transition between implementations (e.g. Xfree86, X.org, etc).
Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#4I was sold on Wayland in terms of technology a while ago. Where Wayland is losing people is when is it going to be ready to use? Sure, you can install Wayland now, but there are no applications that target it. Yes, XWayland is meant to solve this problem. But, XWayland is not ready yet (or is it?) and Wayland is still "just around the corner." That may be for legitimate reasons, but it's what the article really should address.
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#5Does anyone know how Wayland compares to Quartz used in OS X?
Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#6I was sold on Wayland in terms of technology a while ago. Where Wayland is losing people is when is it going to be ready to use? Sure, you can install Wayland now, but there are no applications that target it. Yes, XWayland is meant to solve this problem. But, XWayland is not ready yet (or is it?) and Wayland is still "just around the corner." That may be for legitimate reasons, but it's what the article really shoul…
According to https://live.gnome.org/Wayland Gnome 3.12 will be fully ported to Wayland at Spring 2014. Hopefully others will pick up soon as well.
I am not sure if "smaller" window managers such as XMonad would benefit but hearing about XMonad being ported to Wayland would be cool.
Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#7There was a nice overview of Wayland here as well: https://lwn.net/Articles/536862/
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#8Does anyone know how Wayland compares to Quartz used in OS X?
This is a good question. Is there documentation that really explains the Quartz architecture somewhere?
Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#9Some more facts about Wayland and client-side window decorations, quoted from here: http://blog.martin-graesslin.com/blog/2013/02/client-side-wi...
- Nothing in Wayland requires them
- QtWayland allows Clients to turn them off
- KWin as a Wayland compositor will use server side decorations
Re: Facts about Wayland vs X
#10I was sold on Wayland in terms of technology a while ago. Where Wayland is losing people is when is it going to be ready to use? Sure, you can install Wayland now, but there are no applications that target it. Yes, XWayland is meant to solve this problem. But, XWayland is not ready yet (or is it?) and Wayland is still "just around the corner." That may be for legitimate reasons, but it's what the article really shoul…
According to https://live.gnome.org/Wayland Gnome 3.12 will be fully ported to Wayland at Spring 2014. Hopefully others will pick up soon as well. I am not sure if "smaller" window managers such as XMonad would benefit but hearing about XMonad being ported to Wayland would be cool.
Sure, but I assume this would mean Haskell bindings for Wayland first, which as far as I know don't exist yet.