Indian Coders Found Cheating in Google Code Jam?
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Indian Coders Found Cheating in Google Code Jam?
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#2This is shocking.
I'm competing in Code Jam, and it's nice to think that everyone is interested in playing fair. If you're not capable of solving the problems at this stage, you won't be capable of solving them at the later stages either, so in that respect I don't really see the point in cheating.
All it really means is that a few of the borderline-qualifying competitors missed out.
EDIT: Might be interesting to download everybody's round 1B solutions and look for similarity. I'm going to attempt to do this now.
EDIT2: Boy, Google sure don't make it easy to download everybody's solutions...
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#3This is shocking. I'm competing in Code Jam, and it's nice to think that everyone is interested in playing fair. If you're not capable of solving the problems at this stage, you won't be capable of solving them at the later stages either, so in that respect I don't really see the point in cheating. All it really means is that a few of the borderline-qualifying competitors missed out. EDIT: Might be interesting to dow…
This behaviour was common in the last Facebook Hacker Cup too. Most of the announcements of rounds starting included discussion of (and in some cases links to) solutions.
I guess it's part and parcel - I think Facebook did take action against obvious plagiarisers. If not, the later rounds will weed out the cheaters in any case.
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#4Aside: Why "Indian coders" and not just "Three coders"? Would this have ever been titled "white coders found cheating"? I know this isn't the point of the article, but I wonder if, on HN, we should consider clipping "gratuitous adjectives" in titles that contribute to perpetuating dominant systems.
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#5Is collusion more commonly accepted in some Asian cultures?
I distinctly remember my grad school classes, where even by getting 95% I'd be dead last in the class rankings because all the Chinese/Indian students would get 98/99/100% on their assignments. I didn't really care about it, figuring that their studying habits were much more diligent than mine, until one time I arrived in the classroom 45 minutes early and found out a sizable proportion of them were merrily exchanging answers and copying off of each other. I then learned that it was something they would do pretty much every single time.
(of course, it was not all of them– a few were hard workers who went by the rules. But in all of my classes, the majority of students from those cultures would operate in such a manner).
So I'm wondering– is this purely selection bias, or is collusion just more acceptable in certain cultures? The US (and most of Europe) heavily penalizes it at all levels of education, but I wonder if it's the case everywhere in the world.
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#6This is shocking. I'm competing in Code Jam, and it's nice to think that everyone is interested in playing fair. If you're not capable of solving the problems at this stage, you won't be capable of solving them at the later stages either, so in that respect I don't really see the point in cheating. All it really means is that a few of the borderline-qualifying competitors missed out. EDIT: Might be interesting to dow…
This behaviour was common in the last Facebook Hacker Cup too. Most of the announcements of rounds starting included discussion of (and in some cases links to) solutions. I guess it's part and parcel - I think Facebook did take action against obvious plagiarisers. If not, the later rounds will weed out the cheaters in any case.
I think you are missing the point here , instead of 3 cheaters three honest coders could have qualified to the next round , which would in turn give them the chance for competing in round 2 and round 3.
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#7Aside: Why "Indian coders" and not just "Three coders"? Would this have ever been titled "white coders found cheating"? I know this isn't the point of the article, but I wonder if, on HN, we should consider clipping "gratuitous adjectives" in titles that contribute to perpetuating dominant systems.
So we are going to ban facts now?
The problem is that it does seem to be cultural. In every one of my computer science classes, students from India almost always shared answers on the test, copied each others' homework, and felt there was no problem with it.
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#8Aside: Why "Indian coders" and not just "Three coders"? Would this have ever been titled "white coders found cheating"? I know this isn't the point of the article, but I wonder if, on HN, we should consider clipping "gratuitous adjectives" in titles that contribute to perpetuating dominant systems.
They are from the country named India. Thus Indian coders. Color has nothing to do with it. If they were from America the title would not have been white coders but American coders.
Re: Indian Coders Found Cheating in Google Code Jam?
#9Aside: Why "Indian coders" and not just "Three coders"? Would this have ever been titled "white coders found cheating"? I know this isn't the point of the article, but I wonder if, on HN, we should consider clipping "gratuitous adjectives" in titles that contribute to perpetuating dominant systems.
Probably because that's the demographic the site was created to serve: NextBigWhat is an Indian tech blog, focusing on Indian startups and the Indian tech ecosystem. Their "About" page has a few quotes calling themselves the "Techcrunch of India."
Re: Indian Coders Found Cheating in Google Code Jam?
#10Aside: Why "Indian coders" and not just "Three coders"? Would this have ever been titled "white coders found cheating"? I know this isn't the point of the article, but I wonder if, on HN, we should consider clipping "gratuitous adjectives" in titles that contribute to perpetuating dominant systems.
From what my friends have told me, corruption and cheating is much more culturally accepted in India. So although race has no place being in a conversation, culture is relevant to the discussion. Also, white is not a culture, race, or country of origin, why would you put that in the title anyway?