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Radical Honesty: I Think You're Fat (2007)

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Re: Radical Honesty: I Think You're Fat (2007)

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I can say, w\o hyperbole, that radical honesty ruined my life. Do not, I repeat do not believe that people are generally good, want to help you, will appreciate your honesty.

Now, I didn't do anything stupid like telling my boss that I'd like to sleep with his daughter, but, when he asked me where I saw myself in 5 years I did say that I wanted to start my own business.

Our relationship went from great to icy.

Over the next seven months my work life became a living hell. I went from "valued team contributor" to "does not function as part of the unit." My dedication was called into question and eventually I was told that the company had changed and that I was no longer useful.

I wasn't fired, but, I was left alone in my office, no new tasks were assigned, my medical condition was not accommodated, etc.

I eventually left my position, lost my gf because of it, ruined my credit after I couldn't find a new job, and have been unable to get loans to return to school (after leaving to help out my former employer.)

I often wonder what my life would be like if I had just said: "In five years I see myself working for you with only a slight raise!"

Don't try this at home.

Re: Radical Honesty: I Think You're Fat (2007)

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I can say, w\o hyperbole, that radical honesty ruined my life. Do not, I repeat do not believe that people are generally good, want to help you, will appreciate your honesty. Now, I didn't do anything stupid like telling my boss that I'd like to sleep with his daughter, but, when he asked me where I saw myself in 5 years I did say that I wanted to start my own business. Our relationship went from great to icy. Over t…

I upvoted you because, as your anecdote suggests, lying is an important social tool. No matter how liberating it may be, telling the blunt truth hurts other people and yourself.

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I can say, w\o hyperbole, that radical honesty ruined my life. Do not, I repeat do not believe that people are generally good, want to help you, will appreciate your honesty. Now, I didn't do anything stupid like telling my boss that I'd like to sleep with his daughter, but, when he asked me where I saw myself in 5 years I did say that I wanted to start my own business. Our relationship went from great to icy. Over t…

I find this interesting because I myself have had a great improvement in my relationship with my dad and some of my friends just by being able to communicate more directly.

My dad actually told me a few days ago something he had learned from a friend, that anything that you say to another person with absolute sincerity and respect is, in fact, a gift to the other person. And I'm starting to believe him.

I would be very interested to hear what got you started with radical honesty, or was it just in that moment with your boss that you were excessively candid?

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I can say, w\o hyperbole, that radical honesty ruined my life. Do not, I repeat do not believe that people are generally good, want to help you, will appreciate your honesty. Now, I didn't do anything stupid like telling my boss that I'd like to sleep with his daughter, but, when he asked me where I saw myself in 5 years I did say that I wanted to start my own business. Our relationship went from great to icy. Over t…

I upvoted this because clearly, if something can hurt you you should know about that before trying it.

But I am interested: was your problem a fundamental one, or were you perhaps not adequately prepared to try this? How much "training" did you do on the concept before trying it? Did you read his books? Go to his workshops?

I have done tremendous "work" (i.e. therapy, workshops, "New Thought" classes) and when I see this, I am intrigued, but my response was to send notes to my friends and to order some books on it. I'll discuss it with my "New Thought" class tonight. I'll discuss it with my wife before telling her about all the magnificent and desirable... etc. But I mean its like all the time, you know?

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Funny video about this guy's attempt to run for congress. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gx-OVdTkwvA

I've often wished that our cultural values would reverse when it comes to gaffes and skeletons in the closet: that we would only trust politicians who are insultingly blunt and who wear their failings on their sleeves. Any candidate who looks too squeaky-clean would be laughed out of the room as obviously trying to deceive and manipulate us.

I can dream, right?

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I can say, w\o hyperbole, that radical honesty ruined my life. Do not, I repeat do not believe that people are generally good, want to help you, will appreciate your honesty. Now, I didn't do anything stupid like telling my boss that I'd like to sleep with his daughter, but, when he asked me where I saw myself in 5 years I did say that I wanted to start my own business. Our relationship went from great to icy. Over t…

To play devil's advocate, I would say that perhaps the benefits of being radically honest haven't been made apparent to you yet.

I don't know anything about you but let's have a little thought experiment here:

Sure it has seemingly destroyed your life in the short term, but I would argue that having a less kitschy life might be good for you.

Let's take your situation claim by claim. By being open and honest with your boss, you indirectly put an end to your career. But had you lied and remained there, would you have always been happy? Surely your dreams were to start your own business.

Now your gf. Again, I don't know anything about your relationship. But if your gf left due to financial reasons, wasn't it better to learn that lesson sooner rather than later?

Your credit. With the same disclaimers as above, perhaps having your credit destroyed was a forceful way of telling you to refocus your priorities in life. no?

You can always wonder what your life might have been like if you made a different decision. I do that all the time. But I'd like to think that honesty opens doors, not closes them. You might disagree with everything I just wrote, but I would like to see your response a year (or 5) from now how your life has changed.

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