Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
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Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
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#3Instead of supporting feminist policies that help privileged women at the expense of underprivileged men, why not push for underprivileged people to join the tech field?
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#4I work in an IT office that I would guess is over 65% women, with 80% women in senior and managerial roles.
Depends on where you are I guess. I've definitely had my view changed on this working at my current job.
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#5Being told that female students fair poorly in STEM subjects, or that the tech industry is lacking in female programmers, for instance, can reinforce those beliefs within women’s minds, leading them to confirm those stereotypes themselves.
Beliefs? Stereotypes? Those are facts, dude. As things currently stand, women do perform more poorly than men in STEM, and their numbers are lacking in tech. And what are we supposed to do? Not tell women that, once they join the tech field, they will be viewed as anomalies, treated as sex objects and feel very lonely? Are we supposed to con women into joining tech?
In order to improve the status quo, we first need to acknowledge it, openly and fearlessly. There's no way around that. Facts won't go anywhere just by refraining from stating them.
For instance, this quote from Upstart:
“Stereotypes remain a huge limiting factor for women, who are often seen as ”too aggressive“ when they succeed, Sandberg said. ”As men get powerful and successful, everyone likes them better.”
But when women achieve success, “everyone likes them worse,”
Huh, I thought we were trying to avoid generalizations and stereotypes here...
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#6The goals of this post are noble, and I almost agree with the conclusion. How the post gets there seems to be based out of a very negative conflation.
How is the lack of women in the tech industry, and the offensive notion that women fair poorly in STEM subjects for no other reason than they're women uttered in the same breath? They shouldn't be for the very same reasons as this post extolls.
> Being told that female students fair poorly in STEM subjects, or that the tech industry is lacking in female programmers, for instance, can reinforce those beliefs within women’s minds, leading them to confirm those stereotypes themselves.
Anyone who believes that women inherently do worse in STEM subjects needs to be called out, in the most negative of terms. No one should say it, period.
However, the lack of women in tech is not a stereotype or a belief. It's a fact. I'm not reinforcing a stereotype by mentioning it, I'm pointing out something that needs to be called out at every step, to root out anyone continuing the above mentioned offensive discrimination against women.
Gender-based discrimination being called out and gender based discrimination being committed must be considered different things.
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#7Wow, the average exam score is 60% lower for females than for males? What's this subject!?
I hate bar graphs with a y-axis starting anywhere but at zero.
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#8The goal of getting women into tech should be to equalize the gender ratio of the people who actually are in tech to that of the people who want to be in tech.
That's the real balance that we need to reach for -- and unlike what many people seem to think, this ratio is not necessarily 50%.
Re: Stop complaining about the lack of women in tech
#9Being told that female students fair poorly in STEM subjects, or that the tech industry is lacking in female programmers, for instance, can reinforce those beliefs within women’s minds, leading them to confirm those stereotypes themselves. Beliefs? Stereotypes? Those are facts, dude. As things currently stand, women do perform more poorly than men in STEM, and their numbers are lacking in tech. And what are we suppos…
Can you provide a citation for your claim that women in the tech field more often feel treated as sex objects than women in other fields?
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#10Instead of supporting feminist policies that help privileged women at the expense of underprivileged men, why not push for underprivileged people to join the tech field?
Why "instead"? Why not both?