Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by swombat » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:37 PM UTC

Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)
zedshaw.com

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

#2

Post by swombat » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:40 PM UTC

Original link, for the curious: http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw...

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by tjic » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:42 PM UTC

How to blog like Zed Shaw: 1) say outrageous thing 2) wait 3) retract outrageous thing; criticize people / society / the world for getting all atwitter over outrageous things 4) repeat

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by andrewl-hn » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:51 PM UTC

swombat wrote: post #2

Original link, for the curious: http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw...

I have a question about how the Web archive works: can Zed ask them to turn down the archived copy and if he does will they remove it?

Does anybody know if Zed released his early blog posts under Creative Commons? Because if he did anybody can republish his old rant today.

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by fiaz » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:54 PM UTC

I really didn't care much for the original post, and I could care less about this one too.

I DO care about any engineering accomplishments Zed has to offer (almost all are great) - but that's about it.

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by apgwoz » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:54 PM UTC

andrewl-hn wrote: post #4

swombat wrote: post #2

Original link, for the curious: http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw...

I have a question about how the Web archive works: can Zed ask them to turn down the archived copy and if he does will they remove it? Does anybody know if Zed released his early blog posts under Creative Commons? Because if he did anybody can republish his old rant today.

He does state in the post that he is the copyright holder and won't give permission to repost it. That doesn't mean he hasn't already given express permission via a CC license previously, but, assuming he didn't...

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by icey » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:55 PM UTC

tjic wrote: post #3

How to blog like Zed Shaw: 1) say outrageous thing 2) wait 3) retract outrageous thing; criticize people / society / the world for getting all atwitter over outrageous things 4) repeat

What other things has he retracted?

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by andrewl-hn » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 3:56 PM UTC

andrewl-hn wrote: post #4

swombat wrote: post #2

Original link, for the curious: http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw...

I have a question about how the Web archive works: can Zed ask them to turn down the archived copy and if he does will they remove it? Does anybody know if Zed released his early blog posts under Creative Commons? Because if he did anybody can republish his old rant today.

Oh, I just noticed at the bottom of the archived page: 'Licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution License.'

The new Zed's blog doesn't have a CC reference, BTW

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by amvp » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 4:02 PM UTC

andrewl-hn wrote: post #4

swombat wrote: post #2

Original link, for the curious: http://web.archive.org/web/20080103072111/http://www.zedshaw...

I have a question about how the Web archive works: can Zed ask them to turn down the archived copy and if he does will they remove it? Does anybody know if Zed released his early blog posts under Creative Commons? Because if he did anybody can republish his old rant today.

The web archive will retroactively remove anything they've archived from your domain if you disallow "ia_archiver" in your robots.txt file (and obviously, will stop crawling it).

http://www.archive.org/about/exclude.php

Re: Rails is a Ghetto (retracted)

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Post by wallflower » Thu, Mar 19, 2009, 4:02 PM UTC

Startups talk about hiring 'Rock Star' developers. Yes, he has created a lot (Mongrel). But I think Zed is a rock star - because of his personality (even if it's a facade of sorts - I'm not sure - without having dinner with him). Whether intentional or not - it helps market his brand - reminds me of Geoffrey Grosenbach and PeepCode (pimping out good screencasts..)