Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
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Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
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Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#2This article doesn't back itself up. Claims are labelled as 'False' and the evidence presented is 'Google Maps says so'.
Maybe Musk's data doesn't add up (I doubt it). If that's the case, present something other than 'I plotted a route in Google Maps and it said 500. QED.'
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#3This article doesn't back itself up. Claims are labelled as 'False' and the evidence presented is 'Google Maps says so'. Maybe Musk's data doesn't add up (I doubt it). If that's the case, present something other than 'I plotted a route in Google Maps and it said 500. QED.'
Uhm … what do you expect?
I thought this was all pretty convincing. What are your complaints?! I really don’t get it. How would you suggest measuring distance? Is Google Maps really not a good tool for doing so? Plus, Google Maps wasn’t really the centerpiece here, for any argument.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#4The most interesting point on the range graph isn't mentioned in Tesla's repsonse (or anyone else's), which is the huge drop in range overnight at mile 400, fron 80 miles of range to approximately 20. That is the Achilles' heel of the Tesla that caused the car to run out of juice in this (possibly contrived) example.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#5The most interesting point on the range graph isn't mentioned in Tesla's repsonse (or anyone else's), which is the huge drop in range overnight at mile 400, fron 80 miles of range to approximately 20. That is the Achilles' heel of the Tesla that caused the car to run out of juice in this (possibly contrived) example.
BTW, running out of range and bricking are not the same thing. One requires recharging and the other requires $40,000.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#6This article doesn't back itself up. Claims are labelled as 'False' and the evidence presented is 'Google Maps says so'. Maybe Musk's data doesn't add up (I doubt it). If that's the case, present something other than 'I plotted a route in Google Maps and it said 500. QED.'
Uhm … what do you expect? I thought this was all pretty convincing. What are your complaints?! I really don’t get it. How would you suggest measuring distance? Is Google Maps really not a good tool for doing so? Plus, Google Maps wasn’t really the centerpiece here, for any argument.
This "defense" basically amounts to: See, Broder didn't lie, he exaggerated. That, and the things Broder did to try and get stranded were fair game.
In that, they are making valid points, supported by facts. That it's the best they can do is telling. I look forward to replication attempts.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#7"Convincing? No. His other chart shows the mile range dipped below zero, which would indicate the car could not move. "
Wow, I wish I could be as sloppy and awful at my job as these journalists are. Had he actually bothered to truly read the response he is commenting on, he would see that Musk states that, when the car's range dips below zero, it is running on reserve power. It takes some miles after "zero" for the car to actually stop moving.
What a hack. There is truly nothing worse than reading something by someone who has no education in comprehending quantitative data try to critique it.
However, I do agree with his statement on the climate control. That was something I noticed when I read Musk's response. Clearly, the Broder turned the heat down, just not as early as he thought/claimed.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#8This "defense" basically amounts to: See, Broder didn't lie, he exaggerated. That, and the things Broder did to try and get stranded were fair game.
In that, they are making valid points, supported by facts. That it's the best they can do is telling.
I look forward to replication attempts.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#9It has to be asked, given the tone and rapidity with which this article went up: what relationship does Rebecca Greenfield (or maybe the editors at The Atlantic) have to Broder? This really feels like a "got your back" kind of thing. Media figures don't, as a general rule, write stories with the sole purpose of knocking down criticism of other media figures.
Re: Elon Musk's Data Doesn't Back Up His Claims of New York Times Fakery
#10Article makes a few good points. There has been a lot of "Hurry for data! Boo journalists! Off with the oil shill
Broder's head" talk here and elsewhere, but Tesla's data seems too far from an ironclad refutation of the article. The supposed circling would have lasted less than five minutes at 10-15 mph. It is a strictly subjective "he said, she said" situation about whether Tesla did tell Broder that he was good to go in Norwich. And unless the towing company is lying, the car did shut down, contrary to Tesla's claims.
There is no clear winner or loser here.